Sitting like a Log - Manipulation of the PvP Point System

[R1ck]

In discussing this with Slauki, one of the keys here is emphasizing defense. There is still a ding for having yours broken - but Holds are highly rewarded - which can balance it out.

Still depends largely on fair matchmaking - however that is defined - and if Hold rates fall with the new Talismans - because defenses AND offenses will have the same weapons - human against AI - we may be in the same boat we are now.

Slauki - could you run these with less attacks? Maybe more similar to the amount of attacks you personally make each week? My impression is it's a spreadsheet...thanks!

Talking about holds, I would like to know how is the average for VE teams, pretty sure the minimum is 30% don't want to create any discussion here about this, haha. Enjoy it

[Liebhild]

I think that there is still some protection.

Started that week with about 1500 points and my attack/defence ratio was really 1:1.

Over 2k points the ratio changed, less defence attacks.

[Enti]

Finally! Been playing the turtle game all night trying to get Enti, Nicko and myself in a row so I could switch my champ to Samurai and create a trio lol. That's been my dude since day 1, nice to get some more representing

Edit: Sky trying to mess with my plan and attacks me, oops, another hold. Man I must have took 100+ from that dude today, fix your strategy it's broke.

Ahaha do you have a screenshot? I was still sleeping when you posted this

[Nicko]

An update to the original topic. As it stands, I am number 3 with under 100 attacks made and i'm within 80 points of ShaolinLondo - who as of yesterday had made over 600 attacks - possibly over 700 by now.

This is a point in time, and we're all so close rank can change with one win or loss. I woke up number 5 and jumped to number 3 with one attack. But i've been top 10 all week.

Everything will change tomorrow. I have a little time to play, but as I have an event during the final hours I'm not counting on maintaining position. Smart players will turn on the heat in the final hours, making attacks before the system launches a wave of attacks on them. Tomorrow will be a game of speed as much as strategy.

I hope this experiment instills a sense of urgency for the developers - and would like to thank Sparton in particular for interacting with us.

One final thought as I type this - is there anyway to avoid a system where Saturday is the only day that matters? When real life kicks in - like this week for me - there is no incentive to play if I know I can't spend my Saturday competing. And the weather is getting nicer. It will ALWAYS matter to some degree - but now it's silly to work to the top early because the point system penalizes you so much. So yet again - another incentive NOT to play.

[slauki]

added the archetypes free sow player great/good/mediocre



they won't gain that much once defense is below 20%. so maybe it would be better to lower the pointlosses to -9 for those who have a defense below 15%, then things could be in order.
Defense is a huge factor here, maybe a too big factor regarding, that defenses might fall very deep again...


edit:
without changes/protection things would be too discouraging for the avarage joe:

[Nicko]

Looks like Skynyrdoo was trying to make a run . He was up to about 3000 yesterday and Number 1.

Now he's 2332 and number 58.

Sorry folks - you can't beat the math. Save your efforts for tomorrow.

Ryan has fared a little better. And that makes sense. I held Skynyrdoo twice and Jofer mentioned holding him several times so point being - strategy DOES matter.

[Enti]

Looks like Skynyrdoo was trying to make a run . He was up to about 3000 yesterday and Number 1.

Now he's 2332 and number 58.

Sorry folks - you can't beat the math.

Pfffft that's a huge drop. Crazy. Another proof for discouraged participation

[Nicko]

Someone messaged me and said Fallen Angel has been using my strategy and I see he's slowly rising. I've been watching GMAC and Jofer too.

That's smart - because my friends are saying their ratios have stalled - possibly because overall arena activity is down from the point system being exposed (this is all conjecture).

However - when activity picks up tomorrow - those ratios will start to equalize again. And attacks will rain on players like a monsoon if they have made a lot more attacks than they've received. So anyone who doesn't have a discrepancy where attacks made are much higher than attacks against them (in absolute numbers) will have a huge advantage.

[Nicko]

Pfffft that's a huge drop. Crazy. Another proof for discouraged participation

Skynyrdoo is no longer even in the Top 100 - so we don't know how low he'll fall because the list caps at 100 - but he's below 2189 (#100).

From #1 and over 3000 points.

In less than 12 hours...

While I am now less than 50 points away from #1 - while making one attack all morning:

[Killhouse]

But that Go80sMetal guy.... up the irons!