Navigator - Roaring Wave Attack

[Mariner-1212]

For Navigator, put him back to the way he was. I lost a SQ yesterday from his new love of stupid moves. If I have to worry about losing basic farming battles, I'll simply play less.

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Hold, I'm curious... do you enjoy the game in any way? Is there a reason you play it? I like to learn things about users, especially the ones that make it their mission to shit on everything. If you think you're the first person here to point out that there are shortcomings in the game, I'm sorry but those shoes were filled by many others over the past 2.5 years. It seems like you're on the forums an awful lot... but most of it (maybe all of it) is spent churning out negative energy.

I'm trying to figure out the point. Is your plan to cause an uprising against NF and get all users to abandon the game so it can close its doors? Or maybe you think they'll see your posts and say "Hold is right, we should do whatever he says"...? Help me understand your vision, and why you stick around. I'm not saying you don't have a reason to be upset - I think we've all been upset with the game from time to time. But it seems more like a full time job for you. What's got you so angry?

I put a lot of time in this game (from the very start). I would love that the devs finally deliver what they are promising since like forever. My point is:

- It didn't help at all for people pointing out things. The devs simply ignored it or waited until a thread was buried and carried on like before. That approach obviously is not working
- So let's try a different approach and call the poor work of the devs out as much as possible. Only if they start to suffer enough they will change something.

The are also not playing fair anymore. So I am pointing out that people should complain to Apple that LotB is not complying to their rules and tell us the droprates. Again - once they have been called out not playing fair and people see it is a scam - change can come.

I don't care if everyone thinks I'm an asshole because I will not give in for letting those fraudsters win. I'm way too stubborn for this. But it really is enough how the devs screwing with the players and the sheep are just nodding away (pun intended).

FFS are the players of this game metal and Maiden fans or a bunch of pussies that accept to be pushed around since almost 2 years? Think about it. You want a better game - so do I. Just hoping that the devs will deliver one day really got us nowhere.

Nothing pisses me more off than scams and at the moment this bug infested crap feels like one.

It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it ...

[Mariner-1212]

I put a lot of time in this game (from the very start). I would love that the devs finally deliver what they are promising since like forever. My point is:

- It didn't help at all for people pointing out things. The devs simply ignored it or waited until a thread was buried and carried on like before. That approach obviously is not working
- So let's try a different approach and call the poor work of the devs out as much as possible. Only if they start to suffer enough they will change something.

The are also not playing fair anymore. So I am pointing out that people should complain to Apple that LotB is not complying to their rules and tell us the droprates. Again - once they have been called out not playing fair and people see it is a scam - change can come.

I don't care if everyone thinks I'm an asshole because I will not give in for letting those fraudsters win. I'm way too stubborn for this. But it really is enough how the devs screwing with the players and the sheep are just nodding away (pun intended).

FFS are the players of this game metal and Maiden fans or a bunch of pussies that accept to be pushed around since almost 2 years? Think about it. You want a better game - so do I. Just hoping that the devs will deliver one day really got us nowhere.

Nothing pisses me more off than scams and at the moment this bug infested crap feels like one.

It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it ...

That's fair. I agree that the drop rates should have been disclosed a long time ago. And I have also stopped spending money on the game because of the 'RNG' which is not really that random.

As far as content, I think they've delivered quite a bit, and this year has a lot in the pipeline. So there's a lot to look forward to - but for me to do that, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just a game that is supposed to be a fun way to spend downtime, and to enjoy immersing ourselves in the Maiden universe. Expectations are through the roof because of the potential we all see... but as many already have realized, this game is best enjoyed when you realize HOW to play the game with NF.

Change expectations. Ignore the 'special' souls. Assume that drop rates are absolute shit, because they always are. Know that going in, and don't waste your resources. If you end up with a great toon, then you can use it to compete... and if not, then you can't - so enjoy the free time. If NF wanted everyone to play in the arena and have an enjoyable experience, they would have made one Lilith guaranteed to every player right out of the gate, and they would make it easier to get toons that allow you to compete. Or better yet, it wouldn't require a small subset of toons to compete.

Disclosing drop rates doesn't solve anything, really. You know from how many souls you've opened what the drop rates are for you. The only thing that would make a difference to most players is to fix the drop rates, so everyone has a chance to land the toons to compete equally - and that's not the business model. If they're essentially telling you to play less by not giving you new toys to play with, then listen to them and play less.

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That's fair. I agree that the drop rates should have been disclosed a long time ago. And I have also stopped spending money on the game because of the 'RNG' which is not really that random.

As far as content, I think they've delivered quite a bit, and this year has a lot in the pipeline. So there's a lot to look forward to - but for me to do that, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just a game that is supposed to be a fun way to spend downtime, and to enjoy immersing ourselves in the Maiden universe. Expectations are through the roof because of the potential we all see... but as many already have realized, this game is best enjoyed when you realize HOW to play the game with NF.

Change expectations. Ignore the 'special' souls. Assume that drop rates are absolute shit, because they always are. Know that going in, and don't waste your resources. If you end up with a great toon, then you can use it to compete... and if not, then you can't - so enjoy the free time. If NF wanted everyone to play in the arena and have an enjoyable experience, they would have made one Lilith guaranteed to every player right out of the gate, and they would make it easier to get toons that allow you to compete. Or better yet, it wouldn't require a small subset of toons to compete.

Disclosing drop rates doesn't solve anything, really. You know from how many souls you've opened what the drop rates are for you. The only thing that would make a difference to most players is to fix the drop rates, so everyone has a chance to land the toons to compete equally - and that's not the business model. If they're essentially telling you to play less by not giving you new toys to play with, then listen to them and play less.

I get all that. But if you are nagging for money all the time as they do with their "events" the players could at least expect some QA or a mainly bug free game. I really would love to know what they are smoking in the Nodding Ivory Tower regarding their bug management or their roadmap.

I don't use Navigator myself (still using Grim Reaper for farming) but anyone with a brain would ask by now:

- Who was the genius that put time and effort into nerfing Navigator instead of improving the game in the areas that really need improvement?

Whoever is "improving" the AI should be punished to do bug fixing for the next 12 months as she/he clearly has not as much clue as she/he thinks.

Just a mainly bug free game would be the biggest improvement ...

[Liebhild]

And I have also stopped spending money on the game because of the 'RNG' which is not really that random.

That is the reason, why I would like to see the odds and I would say also the reason why we wont see them.

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That is the reason, why I would like to see the odds and I would say also the reason why we wont see them.

I definitely want to see them and that's why everyone should report to Apple that this game is not complying with their rules. It doesn't matter if the game will improve or not but for the first time since the start the players can force some change - or at least will know that they have been screwed all along.

[Roadkillsuperman]

Well stated Mariner.
As a long term player, I have spent money on occasion as a thank you. I have learned not to gamble my cash on “event souls”.
I did make the mistake of gambling my ironite on Lillith and lost. However, I am not going to go on a tirade as I knew it was a poor gamble.
It is the constant stream of negativity that keeps me from participating here. If I was really this angry with the game, I would stop playing.

As for Navigator, I hope that our requests are heard. The best farmer has been ruined by the changes.
Jason-5521

[scott-5496]

The game seems to rely heavily on RNG and that is the problem with all aspects - some are 'gamblers' and others are not. I has a massive store of ironite but only did 20 light souls (less than half what I had) as I do like a flutter every now and again but I also like to know what i am getting as well. For me if the devs know or feel that a new character is going to be a big winner or want from most then I think they need to do events where a target can be reached to get said character.

RNG is the core of the game though so not sure hwo they could change that too much unless they look at a clean slate approach to how the game works and pays for itself - it must work for them surely or they would change it? They have to make money for the game to last/work/develp/expand.

I liek other are seeing some postive changes and monthly events are a good approach and I am sure they will develop and improve over time but really is it maybe just a few hundred players who are doing all the events maybe? I would love to know the weekly average play numbers for the game. If folk are not doing a lot of PVP which is really the only thing of interest other than collecting and hoarding resources (which I try to do) then what we have is a wait for new modes and areas to play in and I am very keen to see this happen.

I rarly get luck on RNG pulls - my 'success' comes from grinding most days and building up resources but I know I cannot really compete for top 50 much as not got the time and with my win rates dropping like a rock recently it becomes less of a pull to play PVP though to be honest I am caring less about losses (or trying to) as there are just some teams that kill me most times while others a 'weaker' team with RNG in its side can also kill me.

I still like the game a lot and play it a lot (grinding mostly) btu just not got the need to go top 50 every week - it just is not worth the time for me as the prizes are of no real interest to me as i have all the eternity and trooper toons now and just get sacrifice fodder from PVP (plus a few souls etc).

I really am just looking forward to new content and modes to be honest.....and a fairer challenge based way of getting new toons as opposed to RNG hell with souls. No SSE for me (he is a pain to kill with the right team) and no Lilliths yet and still waiting on an Eda, Warlord and a few others (which is fine).

The devs are a small team and I prefer to be positive as I can be with them - I do just wish though that they could stress test their updates a bit more. I am not going to haul them over the coals - they are I am sure trying their best in a small team of folk to keep a global game moving forward and trying to keep us all happy at the same time. None of that is easy I am sure and in the end of it al I stil love Eddie and Maiden and really that is it for me - my favourite band of all time in game - I do not need much else to play this and I guess they know that about a lot of us on here!

Still to get my Aberdeen tickets for the tour but not sold out yet so I think I will spend some money on that as I know what I am going to get there.....plus a t-shirt!

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It is the constant stream of negativity that keeps me from participating here.
Jason-5521

Name one thing that was a real positive and game changing improvement within the last 6 months ... dangling carrots in front of the donkey does not count.

(and if you find one compare it to the promises made by the devs)

[Mariner-1212]

Name one thing that was a real positive and game changing improvement within the last 6 months ... dangling carrots in front of the donkey does not count.

Frontier coins, which brought the ability to work towards selecting a high-end character you want. A bunch of new Eddies, even if one of them was Hallowed.