R.I.P. Legacy of the Beast ...

[Dutch]

Well, I disagree. Spending money lets you pull good units (instead of grinding trooper badges for the few "free" weekly pulls) and buy gold, that is essential to upgrade things.

It's true that you'll have to grind for shards and runes. Still, is all this grinding so fun?

I like the game so I'm trying to bear with it for now, but I'm really asking myself if it's worth it or not.

I've spent close to 100us just on rare soul stones and never got a five star just crappy 4* dupes like angels and they were bugged before the fix. Only today I pulled a 5* from a rare soul I picked up in the dungeon. It's all about luck and prob rng. I don't mind grinding it's not too bad and once you find what you're looking for it makes the hard work worth it

[Pat-8186]

I'm still on a wait an see, but I agree with what the OP says. Some much of this game stinks of Amateur Hour. Today I wiped when a Angel of Fear exploded on death like a possessed mine. It does not even have that ability. WTF

[ToTameAGame]

I got a ten days ban for bad language what I find hilarious. That's why I could not answer. But I did follow the forum to see if there is any news.

Shared this experience with two of my best friends - one English and the other one Australian. I know this sounds like the start of a joke - An English, an Australian and a Bavarian (me) are entering a pub ... well in the diving industry we are multi countries and we all get along!

Told them what language I used in a forum for an Iron Maiden game. The English man laughed his bottom off (can I say bottom? Rik Mayall said bottom a lot. He even had a show called Bottom ... Not sure if I could use the word starting with fa... instead - in North America this is fine afaik but in British English that would be bad again ... language really can be a son of a difficult thing ...). The Straya guy said he would have banned me as well for using far to mild language. "That's not a rant! That's a bed time story!" he said ... throwing a few very bad words into the sentence. So I guess I'm lucky not to lean to much on the Straya side of language ... the forum probably would have exploded.

A well spoken friend of mine hates swear and bad words. She really does. So she uses "flipping" instead of the other one but really means the other one and everyone knows it. How the flip is that better?

I have an idea! We cannot use words anymore altogether. Instead we are only allowed to use emoticons that are provided by the owners of the forum. So the language perception is gone. Wait - even better ... You can buy 1 random emoticon for 1 Ironite and a nice 5 emoticon pack named "express yourself" ... the drop rate for criticism emoticons is obviously 1 percent ... 99 percent you get happy happy smileys that you can express how happy happy your are ...

I saw Bruce Dickinson live this year and he was using stronger language on stage and the whole concert was on national television as well (Wacken). I can only imagine if the moderator of this forum would have been stage manager there ... "Bruce! That was one flip too much ... off you go into the naughty corner! Shoo shoo ... The rest of the boys now play some decent music without you!"

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Back to the topic. I played a lot of RPGs - real ones ... I played Bard's Tale on a C64. The younger people won't know both of these things.

I am used to a fair amount of grinding and I accept that. But if I would do this amount of time that is necessary here in any real RPG I probably could visit the grand boss leaving my "double sided great broad axe of even greater death +10" in the cupboard and taking my "rusty old nailclipper of fail -15" instead and still beat him with one touch. The amount of grind in this game is insane. Even with autoplay ... what is the point on doing that? This is fruit machine style and has little to do with "playing a game".

In most games you get rewarded for being clever or achieving something. If I read through the forum in this game you even get punished if you spend money (buying rare souls and still only get rubbish). "Look another Harpy! If I get two more I can open a KFH (Kentucky Fried Harpy) and feed a company of troopers for a year ..." - sure in the forum you read over and over that somebody got a nice drop (or was very lucky with a few) but some of these people seem to farm/grind 24/7 for weeks or months now.

It sometimes feels like this game has more bugs than Windows Millenium and I thought Microsoft is the only company allowed to sell their product and use their users as beta testers (thank Linus for the Penguin!). What brings me to the server errors and people loose trooper badges, sands of time and so on. If the game would act like a proper transaction - that could not happen. "Games starts -> Server error -> game rolls back". Or "Games starts -> ... -> you get your loot -> transaction finished -> result locked in". Sure, there would be a possibility of cheating that if you are about to loose -> quit the game. Well you won't achieve a lot with that - not loot - no trooper badge ... And is it fair to all the other players to prevent that possibility of half cheating? Again the game punishes the honest players and they are the majority I guess. That asynchronous synchronization is possible I have seen in a planned server update a few weeks ago. The servers were down and you still could play - but everything got uploaded later. So in theory there is no need to be always online.

Here is a shocker: If so many people are suffering from severe bugs and loosing sands of time, trooper badges and so on ... instead of any peace offers the devs reward the players with less loot and it is a lot less than it used to be - a lot lot lot. A plan so cunning ... with all the problems it would actually be a lot less frustrating if it would rain presents at least for as long as it takes to squash the big bugs and there is a lot of squashing necessary from where I stand. Trying to squeeze money out of people for an unfinished or let's say at least very edgy product is unethical business practices in my eyes.

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Not to mention one of the most stupid AIs I've encountered (especially visible on autoplay). There is an enemy that is basically dead and blind and frozen and stunned - furthermore you need a magnifying glass to see any of his red life line that is left. What does Eddie? Of course he triggers his fury special. Why safe it for the next round? That would be a perfect moment to invent the superlative of dead.

That guy is invincble ... let's all hit on him! Just for fun!

It really makes you laugh when you read something like this in the FAQ: "Auto-Play allows the game AI to control your team for you and also provides an opportunity to learn some strategy you never thought of!" (https://roadhousegames.zendesk.com/h...-Play-feature-)... very true indeed - never crossed my mind to bash some invincible guy! That is again a plan so cunning ...

Well the good news in this case is that on manual play the enemy is very predictable and you use that as an advantage (the dumb AI helped me actually a lot playing through the worlds).

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Some of the characters have strange Talisman slots - I think. Allied Bomber Boy (Gunner) deals magic damage - has a slot for a warrior Talisman. That seems to be as useful as a pair of female body parts on a nun. The further the game advances the more things seem to be put together in a rush. Ailing Kingdom has a changing Theme for different difficulties. Other worlds change just the background or the filter for the color. Lord of Light dungeons are basically 10x5 the same thing with different colors. Some pictures for the classes are different some are the same but with different warpaint on. Well that is at least my impression.

If there would be a "Frustrate the Players" award 2016 I have a candidate - but I also guess that is part of the Freemium world - frustrate the players to a point where they leave or spend money - 24 days you log everyday in looking forward to that Gunner / Assassin soul imagining what secrets lie behind and you get another Undead Soldier. Same with the one Legendary Soul you get after beating the Mad Beast - a green flappy thing - great - got already one and hate it. If the main office would not be that far away I'd probably go there and protest like the Mongolian officials after their wrestler lost the bronze medal in the Olympics 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re6ppD8l1TI

Because the content is rather limited it would only be worth playing on to collect all those nice rare characters. But the drops are very very low (shards and good characters from rare souls) and I'm not willing to spend a lot of money or grinding for the next few years to achieve that goal or support the bag of bugs. The prices are still ridiculous and as I said before I get some high class games for less than 10 bucks. Why should I spend 30 Euro or so for three rare souls when the chance of getting only 3* characters is very high? Doesn't sound like a good deal at all to me - sounds more like an absolute waste of money.

What is coming out of a rare soul should be a lot higher at least as the game is set up right now. Do the devs really expect that people have time to play 24/7 for months? For a RPG the game is simply not good or deep enough and for a fruit machine it does not drop good enough loot that wants me to keep going on.

If there would be a donate button for the graphics team I'll hit it and put something in their tip jar. They really did a good job imho. For the rest there is space for improvement. Random levels would be nice and you have to choose your team upfront (but can choose the stars and the maximum levels of enemies). So whatever hits you - deal with it ...

But right now I strongly would advise anybody not to spend a Cent on that game. If somebody does sell me something rotten in a supermarket I'll bring it back. Only in the software industry it seems to be "normal" that you can sell unfinished things and your customers just have to accept it. Well I don't have to play the game - that is very true - but I did because I like the graphics and the idea - but from my experience at least I can warn others in what state Legacy of the Beast is at the moment.

[Gonzo]

I'm sorry about your ban, but we have to assume that there are young people in this forum as too, although most of us stopped being kids a long long time ago.

Regarding your game topics, you are right about some and wrong in a lot of them. Starting with the "The prices are still ridiculous and as I said before I get some high class games for less than 10 bucks", you are comparing pears with apples. This kind of business model works like that, other platforms have different business models.

"Why should I spend 30 Euro or so for three rare souls when the chance of getting only 3* characters is very high? Doesn't sound like a good deal at all to me - sounds more like an absolute waste of money". Again I bet you've never played any of the "best" rated freemium games in the android/apple market. Go play MCOC, top game in both mobile platforms, in order for you to get the best characters you have to spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars. Yeah, thousands. And even if you get them, you won't be able to rank them up.
If you like Star Wars try Heroes of the Galaxy, game were I spent A LOT of money. Same thing. You grind your ass off to get a decent team, BUM! everyone gets nerfed... No refunds. Do I regret spending money there? No, I had fun.

I don't know how many games you played, but AI has ALWAYS been Artificial Dumbness... It will always overkill. Is it hard to program a line that says when enemy has low health use basic attack? Probably not. Is this a game breaking issue, hell no.

I am lucky enough to have enough disposable income to spend money in games, not only mobiles but console and pc too. That being said, you don't need to spend money in this game to progress, not even finishing it. I finished the entire campaign without spending money. After I did that I spent some money, not because I wanted to get the best characters, but to show my support. Nowadays it's almost impossible to be able to download a free game and being able to finish it without throwing cash at it.

So? is this game freemium of F2P? obviusly not. Last week I got tons of new toons only by "farming" the new rifts feature. In fact, I got so many characters that I found a game breaking team, which I won't post until I give some time to the devs to fix it. If they don't do it, then yes, I will post it. So it will have to be fixed.

I read your entire post 2 or 3 times, because there's something I don't understand. You entitled this thread "R.I.P. Legacy of the Beast ..." and yet, here you are posting this. I'm pretty sure some part of you still likes the game. And want's it to be a lot better. You wouldn't be posting if this was not the case.

I set a date. Until that day, devs have enough time to address some game breaking issues. If they don't, I'll move on. It's simple, I won't rant or create a shit post, I'll just move on.

[talpuz]

Let me try to sum up some of the points that I think the OP was making (but they reflect my personal opinion).

- first of all, if you voice your disappointment it's clearly because you like the game, and would like it to be even better. I'd say you like the game more if you're vocal about what you don't like than if you decide you'll just stop playing at some point.
- right now if you've been playing from the start you have little to do except farming and trying to get new/better units. about this, I don't expect the devs to release new material frequently, so I'm ok with farming, but this brings us to the next point
- drop rates for anything are utter sh... wait, lest I get banned. they are very very very bad. 3* evo shards in the rifts are way too rare for the energy you have to invest. runes and gold for talismans? you need tons of them to upgrade, and the fact that there are 5 different colours and the drops are random does not help. want a specific talisman to try out? good luck finding it (I've been looking for health overwhelming talismans for a while - haven't found even one). even worse if you want interesting units!

I really don't mind the farming, as long as it is actually rewarding. Spending a lot of time and getting very little out of it is frustrating and boring, and I hope the devs realize this at some point (but they won't if people don't point it out in some way!).

[Nekroliun]

Hahahah, funny thing you mentioned MCOC, most pay2win game ever created, theres this one youtuber called pungence whos made like 66 vids about the game, he started about a year ago and still havent gotten any 5 stars and he has a bit over 1k 5star shards, and u need 10k shards to get 1 5 star crystal, and trust me HE SPENT ALOT, LIKE ALOT of money, the amount of crystals he buys is absurd, and if u want 5 str shards u need to duplicate a 4 star charecter, and good look with that...

Yet MCOC's dev team usually gives their players free gifts, like 1 week ago they gave everyone playing 2k 5 star shards and a bunch of free crystals!

Still LOTB is no way near as pay to win as Games like MCOC or any gameloft game out there, i agree with what gonzo said about it being completely completable without spending any dollar, i am currently in underworld madness, got 3 5* chars, and i have my trusty troopers that help completing lvls that are too hard.


Btw, i never knew there was an original bard's tale on the commodore64! I know the game from the remake made in 2004 great game tbh, hilarious and amuzing af too!

[Gonzo]

I don't know who that youtuber is, but look for Super Gaming Family... that guy spent more than 25k in the game. Although his YouTube channel is monetized, it is still an insane amount of money. I know, because he told me, a top player (Let's say he got Kang earlier), spent more than 100k, and is still playing.

[Nekroliun]

I don't know who that youtuber is, but look for Super Gaming Family... that guy spent more than 25k in the game. Although his YouTube channel is monetized, it is still an insane amount of money. I know, because he told me, a top player (Let's say he got Kang earlier), spent more than 100k, and is still playing.

Omg kill me dem shards, why does he have like 70k premium shards... You would think he is still playing, i wouldnt just stop playing a game i spent over 25k on
"Lets say he got Kang" lol i like how that proves that ur a 100% pro

[ToTameAGame]

I'm sorry about your ban, but we have to assume that there are young people in this forum as too, although most of us stopped being kids a long long time ago.

Regarding your game topics, you are right about some and wrong in a lot of them. Starting with the "The prices are still ridiculous and as I said before I get some high class games for less than 10 bucks", you are comparing pears with apples. This kind of business model works like that, other platforms have different business models.

"Why should I spend 30 Euro or so for three rare souls when the chance of getting only 3* characters is very high? Doesn't sound like a good deal at all to me - sounds more like an absolute waste of money". Again I bet you've never played any of the "best" rated freemium games in the android/apple market. Go play MCOC, top game in both mobile platforms, in order for you to get the best characters you have to spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars. Yeah, thousands. And even if you get them, you won't be able to rank them up.
If you like Star Wars try Heroes of the Galaxy, game were I spent A LOT of money. Same thing. You grind your ass off to get a decent team, BUM! everyone gets nerfed... No refunds. Do I regret spending money there? No, I had fun.

I don't know how many games you played, but AI has ALWAYS been Artificial Dumbness... It will always overkill. Is it hard to program a line that says when enemy has low health use basic attack? Probably not. Is this a game breaking issue, hell no.

I am lucky enough to have enough disposable income to spend money in games, not only mobiles but console and pc too. That being said, you don't need to spend money in this game to progress, not even finishing it. I finished the entire campaign without spending money. After I did that I spent some money, not because I wanted to get the best characters, but to show my support. Nowadays it's almost impossible to be able to download a free game and being able to finish it without throwing cash at it.

So? is this game freemium of F2P? obviusly not. Last week I got tons of new toons only by "farming" the new rifts feature. In fact, I got so many characters that I found a game breaking team, which I won't post until I give some time to the devs to fix it. If they don't do it, then yes, I will post it. So it will have to be fixed.

I read your entire post 2 or 3 times, because there's something I don't understand. You entitled this thread "R.I.P. Legacy of the Beast ..." and yet, here you are posting this. I'm pretty sure some part of you still likes the game. And want's it to be a lot better. You wouldn't be posting if this was not the case.

I set a date. Until that day, devs have enough time to address some game breaking issues. If they don't, I'll move on. It's simple, I won't rant or create a shit post, I'll just move on.

- To justify one scam with another one doesn't make either of them right.
- Of course I would like the game to be good. I am one of those people that made it possible that they are flying around in their own 747. Am I jealous? Of course not - the band earned it. For me Iron Maiden will always be associated with good music ... for others it might be a buggy game with overpriced stuff - yes I still find it overpriced. 30 Euro? I rather spend on good food and drinks.
- Have I never wasted money? I supported the OUYA on Kickstarter ... nuff said ...
- Am I to tight to spend money on something good? Again - of course not. But this is at best a beta version and I find it unethical of the company to let some people suffer that have spent money.
- If nobody is ranting than there never ever would be any improvement for anything. Just accepting the fact being punched in the face is not my thing.

[Ancient Mariner]

such drama much wow