June 2017 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

[Sparton_LOTB]

And my last comment is about GCR (mentioned by many before me).
You keep headlessly nerfing sympathetic chars left and right, yet you never touch the most obviouse suspect (SSD being the other one).

The Gunner Corrupt Rescuer is a common discussion point, like any other highly-used, very effective unit. However, she's also a character with an atypically large amount of hard counters. She's commonly discussed, so a search through the forums should find many threads and discussions on the matter. While some of her hardest counters are scheduled to get nerfs with this tuning update, they'll still be very effective against her... and we'd much rather add/improve other units to be as good as her on defense (or be interesting alternatives) than try to bring her down a notch.

As for the Sentinel Soulless Demon, that character has already been discussed to some length, and while most of the discussion happened around the time where Taunt was much more problematic with Mummy Eddie, the overall sentiment is he's really not that big of a deal, which is why he's stayed unchanged. One of the most common complaints was him Taunting more than he should be (which he's not), and with even more removal/steal beneficial effect options, and more viability/availability of Cleanse buffs (current combat hang bug notwithstanding), he's decided solid, but not overpowered. Angel of Fear continuing to be popular and the rise of strong Warriors like Warrior Newborn of Light and Nomad continue to be a thorn in the Sentinel Soulless Demon's side.

[Ringe666-7406]

Hey Sparton, what's coming with this new current update, except downfall of my 100% attack? -.-

[MrFreeze]

The Gunner Corrupt Rescuer is a common discussion point, like any other highly-used, very effective unit. However, she's also a character with an atypically large amount of hard counters. She's commonly discussed, so a search through the forums should find many threads and discussions on the matter. While some of her hardest counters are scheduled to get nerfs with this tuning update, they'll still be very effective against her... and we'd much rather add/improve other units to be as good as her on defense (or be interesting alternatives) than try to bring her down a notch.

As for the Sentinel Soulless Demon, that character has already been discussed to some length, and while most of the discussion happened around the time where Taunt was much more problematic with Mummy Eddie, the overall sentiment is he's really not that big of a deal, which is why he's stayed unchanged. One of the most common complaints was him Taunting more than he should be (which he's not), and with even more removal/steal beneficial effect options, and more viability/availability of Cleanse buffs (current combat hang bug notwithstanding), he's decided solid, but not overpowered. Angel of Fear continuing to be popular and the rise of strong Warriors like Warrior Newborn of Light and Nomad continue to be a thorn in the Sentinel Soulless Demon's side.

I think you could substitute MCR and NBoL in your statements instead of GCR and SSD, and they would still be valid. They're less of a problem than GCR, which I agree isn't a problem, and way less of an issue than SSD. Especially SSD with strike talismans. I have no immunity talismans, not buying them, so SSD is my biggest problem. You don't see me calling for nerfs though. With all due respect I think you guys tinker with characters a little too much.

[IceManFerrar]

The servers are down? Is there some kind of update going on at the moment? Strange that Sparton didn't mention anything.

[konstifik]

The Gunner Corrupt Rescuer is a common discussion point, like any other highly-used, very effective unit. However, she's also a character with an atypically large amount of hard counters. She's commonly discussed, so a search through the forums should find many threads and discussions on the matter. While some of her hardest counters are scheduled to get nerfs with this tuning update, they'll still be very effective against her... and we'd much rather add/improve other units to be as good as her on defense (or be interesting alternatives) than try to bring her down a notch.

As for the Sentinel Soulless Demon, that character has already been discussed to some length, and while most of the discussion happened around the time where Taunt was much more problematic with Mummy Eddie, the overall sentiment is he's really not that big of a deal, which is why he's stayed unchanged. One of the most common complaints was him Taunting more than he should be (which he's not), and with even more removal/steal beneficial effect options, and more viability/availability of Cleanse buffs (current combat hang bug notwithstanding), he's decided solid, but not overpowered. Angel of Fear continuing to be popular and the rise of strong Warriors like Warrior Newborn of Light and Nomad continue to be a thorn in the Sentinel Soulless Demon's side.

I think your points on both characters are incomplete. The main problem with GCR is her bugged Titan Shield, making supposedly hard counters unreliable, which is something you didn't address. And the current problem with SSD is when he is equipped with Strike talismans, and those didn't exist when the discussion you linked too was active. Nerfing stat stealers/destroyers like MCR, Wrath and WNBoL will further enhance this problem (as well as the problem with Strike talismans in general).

[DaveMurray]

The Gunner Corrupt Rescuer is a common discussion point, like any other highly-used, very effective unit. However, she's also a character with an atypically large amount of hard counters. She's commonly discussed, so a search through the forums should find many threads and discussions on the matter. While some of her hardest counters are scheduled to get nerfs with this tuning update, they'll still be very effective against her... and we'd much rather add/improve other units to be as good as her on defense (or be interesting alternatives) than try to bring her down a notch.

As for the Sentinel Soulless Demon, that character has already been discussed to some length, and while most of the discussion happened around the time where Taunt was much more problematic with Mummy Eddie, the overall sentiment is he's really not that big of a deal, which is why he's stayed unchanged. One of the most common complaints was him Taunting more than he should be (which he's not), and with even more removal/steal beneficial effect options, and more viability/availability of Cleanse buffs (current combat hang bug notwithstanding), he's decided solid, but not overpowered. Angel of Fear continuing to be popular and the rise of strong Warriors like Warrior Newborn of Light and Nomad continue to be a thorn in the Sentinel Soulless Demon's side.

The problem with SSD is that it still taunts with like 70% proc plus blind/stun with like 50% when equipped with those talismans(defence rates) and let's not forget the strike talis which make him go many times so 100% to taunt. It's even worse than the older taunt problem with Mummy Eddie and SSD now with so many toons that remove buffs.
GCR is just OP and bugged, i really don't get why NF love a few chars and refuse to see the problem with them while others get hammered all the time. Like our problem was the MCR that dies with 1-2 hits..

[Browno]

Well maybe we shall look at it as a few toons get better/worse in pvp and others in pve. All we have focused on this far is their usability in pvp. In pve they are great

[Liebhild]

One of the most common complaints was him Taunting more than he should be (which he's not)

You know, that we are talking about LotB? I think you are playing something different.

On offense his taunting rates seem normal, but on defence with that strange probability-bonus SSD taunt almost every time whole teams.


I think lot's of nerfs wouldn't be needed, if the probabilities for offense/defence wouldn't be touched.


Sparton never said how and why the probabilities are modified.

[DaveMurray]

You know, that we are talking about LotB? I think you are playing something different.

On offense his taunting rates seem normal, but on defence with that strange probability-bonus SSD taunt almost every time whole teams.


I think lot's of nerfs wouldn't be needed, if the probabilities for offense/defence wouldn't be touched.


Sparton never said how and why the probabilities are modified.

That bonus probability on defence is what causes many of the problems but they nvr count that when they nerf/buff toons. Even strike talis on defence counter 9/10 attacks and on offence 1/15.

[Mizrael]

These threads should be called "...information" not "...discussion" since nothing ever changed, no matter the reasonings.

But anyway...now that you are on MCRs nerfing, could you have a look at why does her freeze automatically disappear when she dies? it has lost me many battles and i don't think that it's supposed to work that way. at least i have never noticed debuffs disappear once the caster dies....is that intentional or a bug?