So I was trying to finish one of the challenge on madness earlier where I have to use basics only. I was using DDE (eclipse talisman) and I had to revive couple times (100 ironite) before the game decides shroud should no longer work. Got 2 shotted even though shroud was active.
Refused to spend another 50 ironite on a lost battle. Guess I should wait another 2-3 months until I get some better characters and talismans. So much for trying to unlock the new skull quest
