April 19th 2017 Update Discussion

[clintilona]

Making sure Sparton sees this - though hard not to notice.

Maybe there need to be two Eternals this week ;)

Great of him to comment - something was obviously way off...

There should not be two eternals. No rules were broken and nothing was hacked. Everything was done within the allowance of a terribly flawed game.

[Kamuz24z]

Making sure Sparton sees this - though hard not to notice.

Maybe there need to be two Eternals this week ;)

Great of him to comment - something was obviously way off...

Good for abbandon he is going to take the throne this week he won't be in anyone's list just don't attack anymore man

[hold]

... No rules were broken and nothing was hacked...

Regardless of what I personally think of the situation:

After it was revealed how #1 is #1 now I thought exactly the same - no rules were broken. Someone had some personal fun to loose a trillion times in a row to the same person.

[Nicko]

I was only kidding ;)

Just wanted to make sure Sparton aware and I know he watches this thread.

[mjmxiii]

I have CG on defense with energy talismans. Could explain the loss of energy against my defense.


I guess it could but I would need to have the points in the first place lol... your team went first and my immunity was missing but I then noticed my points were at 2 like they would be when going first before your team even attacked. And Like Enti said, usually get the 3 points added after a turn... didn't happen. Strange indeed lol.

Thanks for revenging lol... never hear that. Tried your team again but went first this time... everything was normal.

[Tritium]

The little tryst between angelkelly and clintilona is quite adorable, to say the least! ;)


On topic: I'm pretty sure that Sparton will see this issue and let us know his (and maybe the rest of the devs') stance on it. Those of you who act like he doesn't care about our concerns or that he doesn't want the game to become great seem to lack quite a bit of empathy. Sparton is one man, and he is likely following instructions from the higher-ups, and therefore has limited time on other issues he can actively work to fix. The whole dev team is likely quite busy working to bring BNW and Night City into existence, and, from what I've seen, the dev team is small! There's only so much they can do at any one time. I'm sure the attackers here on the forums wouldn't like it one bit if they were on the receiving end of their own incessant, vapid venom.

[IceManFerrar]

I echo Nicko's and all of you guys' concerns...I haven't been playing all that much in PvP but managed to slowly get up to just under 2000 points by playing only the daily allowance of SoW, with 1 refill yesterday for the 1st time, and then this morning I woke up to over 30 attacks, dropped all the way down to 1600 points. Sigh, over nearly 400 points lost overnight. I have been getting continuously attacked through this morning and afternoon and cannot make any progress.

Not all that thrilling for someone who has just returned back to the game and figuring out the strategy, but to be attacked so many times, MOST of which were not revenges but 1st time attacks.

Very demotivating for me and now makes me want to wait until Saturday before giving it my best shot to try to at least get to 1900 points.

Here are my stats:
Last week (only played on Friday and Saturday):
Points: 1732
Attack Wins: 87% (34/39)
Defense Wins: 50% (3/6)

This week so far (been playing all the days this week):
Points: 1693
Attack wins: 78% (88/113)
Defense Wins: 15% (10/68) [over 50% of these attacks were from last night through now]

[Tritium]

Not all that thrilling for someone who has just returned back to the game and figuring out the strategy, but to be attacked so many times, MOST of which were not revenges but 1st time attacks.

Very demotivating for me and now makes me want to wait until Saturday before giving it my best shot to try to at least get to 1900 points.

Hey Ice, just a quick heads-up: the devs changed the way matchmaking works, so now the system attempts to keep attacks and defends as near a 1:1 ratio as possible. This means that it's far better to wait until Saturday to go all-in, while slowly making sparse attacks throughout the week to use up the free SOW. The more attacks you make in one sitting, the more likely you are to show up on attack lists and get spammed by other players.

[IceManFerrar]

Hey Ice, just a quick heads-up: the devs changed the way matchmaking works, so now the system attempts to keep attacks and defends as near a 1:1 ratio as possible. This means that it's far better to wait until Saturday to go all-in, while slowly making sparse attacks throughout the week to use up the free SOW. The more attacks you make in one sitting, the more likely you are to show up on attack lists and get spammed by other players.

Ah, got it, that clears things up for me, Tritium. Thank you so much, mate. Will just slowly grind then and use the free SoW, and then try to go all-in on Saturday. My dream would be to get to 2100...baby steps! :)

[Askora]

I guess it could but I would need to have the points in the first place lol... your team went first and my immunity was missing but I then noticed my points were at 2 like they would be when going first before your team even attacked. And Like Enti said, usually get the 3 points added after a turn... didn't happen. Strange indeed lol.

Thanks for revenging lol... never hear that. Tried your team again but went first this time... everything was normal.

Maybe it was the animation not keeping up with the calculation. I've seen that a number of times, where things seem out of order. Still should have gotten the 3 points added, and I don't have any explanation for a possible cause for that.

I don't recall doing revenge on you. I almost never revenge, as I'd rather clear a list to get the free SoW then worry about playing the revenge game. You do show up on my lists pretty often when I'm in the same rank. So, maybe just looked like it was revenge and was just me clearing a list. Despite the changes to level attacks/defenses, it still seems it's always the same names that show up.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Have to admit - using two of the Sentinels that can't be frozen yet hit like assassin GSs was a good idea. I imagine we'll be seeing more of it.

Especially before the inevitable nerf ;)

Kaz maintains that it's fine (I guess it makes you Prisoner bait, too, not that those Harpies needed more reason to be shut down by him and an upcoming character), but we'll see. The Harpy only really hits that hard against other high-health Sentinels for the most part, and you can't impact the damage of it like you can an Assassin Golden Sun. Still an amazing character, I'll grant you that.

We're actually looking at the potential time for the next major update and considering posting some preliminary tuning notes ahead of that, but there's no planned changes for the Sentinel Harpy.


Making sure Sparton sees this - though hard not to notice.

Maybe there need to be two Eternals this week ;)

Great of him to comment - something was obviously way off...

We are investigating. Thanks for checking with me.

[Enti]

We're actually looking at the potential time for the next major update and considering posting some preliminary tuning notes ahead of that

Byebye next batch of skill shards. Which character will emerge victorious? Warrior Soulless Demon needs his damage back ;)

[Tritium]

(I guess it makes you Prisoner bait, too, not that those Harpies needed more reason to be shut down by him and an upcoming character), but we'll see.

We're actually looking at the potential time for the next major update and considering posting some preliminary tuning notes ahead of that, but there's no planned changes for the Sentinel Harpy.

Emphasis mine. Ooh, an upcoming character that can counter sentinel harpies? I'm listening. ;)

Thanks for the update, Sparton!

[Tritium]

More so the trust you have between your beloved Jofer is so sweet. Man that makes my heart tingle. Lil Bonnie and Clyde.

Can I ask when are you guys are planning on getting married? Or has that already been established.

Not to mention I made a post to your husband earlier. Yet It was deleted. What a shame. I guess that was a sign of don't do it...:)

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[Tritium]

Aww poor mom, I wonder why she complain about it not being so great.... What a shame your size is pitiful and your game is shitless....lol :)


Edit: Stop being childish, you are in your 30's. Yet your acting like a 13 year old girl. Who has never been discipline a day in her life.. Grow up my dude.

Shit, I was hoping humor would shut you up. It seems your mental illness knows no bounds. :rolleyes:





Off topic: do I really seem 30? Damn, lol. I guess good grammar really does do wonders for you on the interwebs. Lmfao.

Also, to everyone else, yes, I'll stop entertaining angelkelly. My troll side just likes to have fun sometimes. :p

[Mizrael]

Now this is getting on the page with that gentleman who last time made a "one hit post" addressed to the devs,Nicko and Jofer (even i learned a new swear word or two from that post. that was a ballsy post! ^^)

Sparton?

@Tritium: My fellow trooper, i usually enjoy reading your opinions on the subjects involving the game but that picture is rather uncivilized...


Always imagine that there is a 10 year old boy sitting somewhere on the other side of the planet and reads through these forums, trying to learn something about this exciting game he just started to play. would your picture improve his knowledge of the game?

[Fister]

5 of them actually. That's how many battles it took me to realize those mofo OP sentinel harpies is immune to stun, taunt, freeze etc.

As a real sportsman you only revenged twice - oh wait, darn, you can't do more than two.

But don't worry, in a couple of houres there is a reset and I will prolly still be in your revenge list. Up y... I meen, up the Iron.

[Tritium]

Now this is getting on the page with that gentleman who last time made a "one hit post" addressed to the devs,Nicko and Jofer (even i learned a new swear word or two from that post. that was a ballsy post! ^^)

Sparton?

@Tritium: My fellow trooper, i usually enjoy reading your opinions on the subjects involving the game but that picture is rather uncivilized...


Always imagine that there is a 10 year old boy sitting somewhere on the other side of the planet and reads through these forums, trying to learn something about this exciting game he just started to play. would your picture improve his knowledge of the game?

Aw, christ. Well, when you put it like that, I can see how it comes off bad. I normally assume that everyone who comes here is an adult (I mean really, look at most of the posts. Nobody here is new to cursing), and therefore don't censor myself. I found that picture after a quick google search for funny memes since I didn't truly feel like responding to angelkelly, but wanted something that might shut her up (humor tends to do that!). Unfortunately, I was wrong. Also, it made me laugh, so I did it partly for that reason. Humor is something that should never be taken at face-value (oh boy, you wouldn't want to look into George Carlin...).

I won't delete my earlier post unless the devs feel it should be. Not one to try to cover up things in order to present a better version of myself to others ─ especially people I've never even met. Nobody's perfect. Also Miz, dammit, you made me "lose" that argument haha. Nah, I did it to myself. Thanks for keeping me in check, mate. I'll "slightly" censor myself in the future (keyword "slightly", nothing's fun if people aren't even being themselves). Also, I'll stop baiting angelkelly (gonna miss out on lots of fun now, but oh well lol). Toodles. ;)

[Sparton_LOTB]

Now this is getting on the page with that gentleman who last time made a "one hit post" addressed to the devs,Nicko and Jofer (even i learned a new swear word or two from that post. that was a ballsy post! ^^)

Sparton?

Yeah guys, clean it up or I'll start handing out temporary bans.

(And thank you Tritium for acknowledging that might be a bit far, and angelkelly for self-deleting some posts.)




Emphasis mine. Ooh, an upcoming character that can counter sentinel harpies? I'm listening. ;)

Thanks for the update, Sparton!

They may not be an explicit counter, but a lot of what that character does can make a mess of anyone's strategy. We'll reveal more as we get closer to that release.


Are you sure that only against sentinel characters. Because for the most part she hits like a truck against all subtypes. Roughly around 7-9k worth of damage.

Ah yes, depending on talisman build, that is correct. I guess we'll double check the Harpy's scaling, but hopefully this is just people being excited by a new character with new toys, as there's a lot of other fun stuff people can do right now, and will be able to do after the next tuning update.

[HomemLivre]

Ah yes, depending on talisman build, that is correct. I guess we'll double check the Harpy's scaling, but hopefully this is just people being excited by a new character with new toys, as there's a lot of other fun stuff people can do right now, and will be able to do after the next tuning update.

Yeap, she can hit this hard with a Assassin set.

I cant wait for this new updates! Im excited to see new chars and metas and of course major bugs solved.

[clintilona]

Kaz maintains that it's fine (I guess it makes you Prisoner bait, too, not that those Harpies needed more reason to be shut down by him and an upcoming character), but we'll see. The Harpy only really hits that hard against other high-health Sentinels for the most part, and you can't impact the damage of it like you can an Assassin Golden Sun. Still an amazing character, I'll grant you that.

We're actually looking at the potential time for the next major update and considering posting some preliminary tuning notes ahead of that, but there's no planned changes for the Sentinel Harpy.



We are investigating. Thanks for checking with me.

Ooh. I have never done anything worth being investigated before. Silver lining to my being banned would be that it will not be much trouble to get a shit ton of money back from the company after reversing a ton of iTunes charges.

[mjmxiii]

Maybe it was the animation not keeping up with the calculation. I've seen that a number of times, where things seem out of order. Still should have gotten the 3 points added, and I don't have any explanation for a possible cause for that.

I don't recall doing revenge on you. I almost never revenge, as I'd rather clear a list to get the free SoW then worry about playing the revenge game. You do show up on my lists pretty often when I'm in the same rank. So, maybe just looked like it was revenge and was just me clearing a list. Despite the changes to level attacks/defenses, it still seems it's always the same names that show up.

I dunno man ...It was a bit choppy in the arena last night. Had about 10 fights where the game just couldnt catch up or run smooth. Haven't been running through arena too much since last update but with the new month I've been trying to catch up on iron coins for the legendary. Noticing a bunch more random weirdness now.

Thinking what happened was more buglitch than anything else. No worries on the attacks bruh, was wondering where they went this week... Was at 20 defense now I'm up there around 60-70

Btw... Just how hard is that Sentinel Harpy hitting? Anyone lol

[HomemLivre]

Btw... Just how hard is that Sentinel Harpy hitting? Anyone lol

Depends on the toon you face and the talis that both harpy and that toon have. Varies btw 4x00-9x00

[Tritium]

Sparton, are there any plans to buff some of the weaker 5* toons to be true 5* caliber like some of the other recently buffed toons (VE, Nomad, COTD, etc.)? I know that many players would like Vampire Hunter Eddie and Aces High Eddie to receive a buff due to their relatively weak current states right now when compared to some of the other 5* Eddies. As it currently stands, someone may actually be a bit disappointed when they pull one of those two toons over something like a Rainmaker or Cyborg. The character discussion threads for these two eddies also have some interesting feedback regarding how they could potentially be buffed.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Sparton, are there any plans to buff some of the weaker 5* toons to be true 5* caliber like some of the other recently buffed toons (VE, Nomad, COTD, etc.)? I know that many players would like Vampire Hunter Eddie and Aces High Eddie to receive a buff due to their relatively weak current states right now when compared to some of the other 5* Eddies. As it currently stands, someone may actually be a bit disappointed when they pull one of those two toons over something like a Rainmaker or Cyborg. The character discussion threads for these two eddies also have some interesting feedback regarding how they could potentially be buffed.

There's not usually any explicit plans, just stuff that we appraise and adjust when we have the space cycles.

Looking over the (still being compiled) preliminary tuning notes, Vampire Hunter Eddie will have a change for a skill to make it stronger, and Ace's High Eddie will have a fix for his Fury skill level scaling based on a bug report from a player, but we'll have a look at usage and win rates for various underused Eddies and see what we can do for subsequent updates.

[MrFreeze]

Don't forget to buff the sentinel pumpkins! I'm not even joking, I really want to build a pumpkin defensive team.

[HomemLivre]

Agreed with you Tritium! We have some really nice 5* and 4* chars to that deserves buffs, I dont have a Vampire Hunter but hes one of the Eddies that I like most and will be awesome to see he shining in the arena!

[Ezz]

Love Aces high but cannot bring myself to skillshard him up for use in the arena. Maybe fury scale fix will help but it seems one of his shield moves needs to have the skillshards needed removed. Sacrificing 8 skillshards for a couple shields that get rare use is insane. And to be honest I can't even figure out how those skillshards are used to improve these shields?

[DIEDD]

Love Aces high but cannot bring myself to skillshard him up for use in the arena. Maybe fury scale fix will help but it seems one of his shield moves needs to have the skillshards needed removed. Sacrificing 8 skillshards for a couple shields that get rare use is insane. And to be honest I can't even figure out how those skillshards are used to improve these shields?

I was thinking the same for a long time.

[Nicko]

Love Aces high but cannot bring myself to skillshard him up for use in the arena. Maybe fury scale fix will help but it seems one of his shield moves needs to have the skillshards needed removed. Sacrificing 8 skillshards for a couple shields that get rare use is insane. And to be honest I can't even figure out how those skillshards are used to improve these shields?


Unfortunately the weakest 5 star Eddie - but sharded him anyway. Was really excited to get him and love the Gunners so couldn't resist ;)

He'll be a little better when they fix his fury - as I was sharding him I tested it in the same location each time and his damage never increased. Really cool the team was responsive.

Bumping up his attack would help get his basic attack to at least Desert Marauder level. If they could rework those stupid shields - maybe add some extra buffs - or maybe shield the team like the undead Gunner soldier - while fixing his fury - he'd be pretty dang useful.

As of now the 4 star Gunners - Tailgunner and Navigator - outperform him - and that makes no sense.

Hopefully he gets some "Visions Eddie" treatment and becomes a true 5 *. Considering he's rare he definitely deserves it.

[Nine]

Vampire Hunter Eddie will have a change for a skill to make it stronger

Hm, that requires some guessing since there a few of them that come to mind deserving that :D

Since you explicitely name him some thaughts on him and his abilities (having finished, this got more than I aimed for, sorry...):

Before going into detail just let me start by saying that I like him and the concept behind him a lot - he is one of the few characters that even on his own can be played quite strategic. On the other hand it means that be basically needs to played in certain ways to shine. Which admittedly he already can. I actually think at least in PvE he performs quite well after the last tunings. Even there are some problems, though, one certainly being that at least 3 of his abilities are basically never used. A bigger one might be that there is an Eddie for almost every situation that is better than him. Which is ok if that is intended and balanced but feels not only strange for a 5* but also given his (supposed?) role. This fact becomes severly more important in PvP.

Being overshadowed by other Eddies is most obvious when comparing him to Rainmaker I guess. The two are highly comparable and after Rainmaker got the abilities from VH that basically made him unique (mark and claim) one strongly feels compelled to do so.

Additional to that I think it is due to his rather unique way of playing with which the AI simply cannot keep up that he basically useless on PvP defence. I haven't tested him since the last AI tweaks, but the reliance of debuffs and buffs as well as a judgement about risk vs reward required are just too much. Since that is the core of that character I wouldn't change it, though - except for the luck element but I'll come to that. Most other Eddie's aren't made for defence either and that's ok.

So, let's talk abilities:

- Stake: The only power that is truly unique to him and there is nothing to complain here. It basically makes the character who he is at the moment. Marks on the target are a mere bonus on this ability, even without them the pure damage makes it worth using. Power costs are fair, the crit buff is just the icing on the cake.

- Claim: Might be my favourite ability of his. Not because it is the strongest (although it definetely is strong) but it is all around useful. For damage as well as for heal (the latter actually useful now). It requires either set up or thinking and it is quite interesting that it is a heal that can be countered in an unsual way.

This is a time to stop and point out: these are the only two abilities one will usually use (exceptions to be named later on).

- Mark: making our way down in usefulness we arrive at this interesting power. And it really is. I mentioned elsewhere that the initial damage calculation is weird at the moment, so depending how that is fixed that might chance its usability a lot (first candidate for the mentioned buff, yay!). As it is it is quite simple: If you get another turn it's great, if you don't it's really "meh" except for two cases: it obviously is great on high health targets that cannot be cleansed; otherwise it is needed to set up a heal in the following round. The latter case is quite restrictive because it again requires no cleanser and more importantly has to be used at the end of your turn because your allies will consume the mark (you can of course choose to not hit perfect which I actually do from time to time...). As I said, an "interesting" ability, mainly due to its synergies. If it becomes a "decent damage with a mark on top and chance for another turn" instead of a "mark with marginal damage" ability that wouldn't make the character too strong.

- Scream: we come to the first ability that basically no one, not even here, will know by name. I have to say, most of the time I use it I forgot I am in the past zone and click it accidentally. However, it is not as bad as that sounds. It certainly has a use in PvP where Immunity is of high value, but I am not sure if that is enough. I will test the fury gain again, but the buff is basically the only reason to use it. 20% chance of an extra turn (we require luck again. That's not only poison for PvP but will become a pattern for this character) is waaay to low in my opinion. I know it cannot be spamable or an automatic use every turn. And of course there are a lot of Eddie's who have highly situational and often questionable defensive powers of this kind (Hi there, Tailgunner and Aces High) but I have to wonder if that was intentional. All around this one could see a buff, but it doesn't hurt the way it is now.

Now we come to those that I wouldn't even notice if they were gone:

- Strike: If it hits crtitical and if the extra strike triggers it can do ok damage. But the chances of that happening... Especially when compared to Rainmaker this ability feels very lackluster (yeah, not easiest benchmark to reach, but again: the similarity of the characters provoke this). RttH shows that this ability can actually do damage, but of course there is not much left of it when only half of the relevant attributes of a character are taken into account for its damage. It is usually not the biggsest problem because, as stated above there are enough alternatives to it, but even as basic ability this one is neither fun or helpful (usual logic: are there multiple enemies?->use claim, do you have power?->use stake, with some cases overlapping where you have an option). The main problem with this might be that the damage when taunted can be extremely low (no class advantage against sentinels doesn't help), which is really strange for an usual high hitter. All in all we have a second contender for the buff worthy ability.

- Rouse: To me this ability is honesty completely useless in its current form. The damage is kinda ok, but if we wanted damage we would use stake. At the heart of this ability is of course the revive, which is supposed to justify its power cost. Well, it doesn't. Mainly because it's not a revive, it is the small chance of a revive. 35% are just a joke (good luck by the way coming up with an accuracy buff at the stage of a battle where the ability is needed). Seriously, if the chance was increased to 100% - take away the damage if you have - it wouldn't be too strong. I know it is hard to compare abilities from different chars because of the roles they play but when Pharao's has a 100% chance for all (!) characers with an extra heal, the rescuer's has 100% chance for all (!) characters with one of the strongest buff in the game this just is way off. One character is fine, but the gamble is basically never worth taking. Even at zero power cost you would still sacrifice either a huge amount of damage or some certainly highly needed heal (because you are in a situation where an ally is already dead that is guaranteed). So even then I would not use it, just to get a 65% of nothing worthwhile happening. So if I had to chose I would definitly chose this one for an overhaul and your wording of "making it stronger" gives me some hope, since it is not implying purely increasing damage.


Some concluding remarks: Luck is way to prevelant to make him useful in PvP. Marks are also needed for an efficient use and are hard to set up by VH himself (mostly, of course, again due to chances and luck). Both of these facts make the Warrior Bomber Boy a great addition to him and, in my mind, bring him to the level he should be without him. While I love the fact that there is a great synergy between them that of course makes everything regarding balancing much more complicated. If you tune him to be great without accuracy buffs and a mark supplier he will likely be overpowered with one in your team. If you tune him to be great with one in your team you risk of him being highly limited in its usefulness due to a static team composition and basically unlucky people (yay, we are coming back to this one on a whole new level) who doesn't have the BB over similar toons (and now you will need two, because just a troll for the passive is not enough) are ... well, not to go into profanity: unlucky. It is no coincidence that his decent abilities are the ones not depending on chance.

So my first step would be to make the element of chance much less important and a flat revive and an overhaul of Strike (you showed in the case of Rainmaker that you are not afraid of exchanging abilities, so I have some hope) would be a good to that. I guess I would still keep the BB around but the dependance on him would greately decrease.

Well, this became more than I thought. Would have put it into his thread, but here will do I guess.
(Since it really got more than expected I am sorry for any spelling mistakes, I don't have the concentration to read through everything again, I hope it doesn't hinder understanding at any point...)

[mjmxiii]

^^Damn bro, that post was epic!

[Nine]

^^Damn bro, that post was epic!

Thank you! I actually had in mind to do a similar one for Samurai some time ago but didn't really find the time and motivation to do so. This one was rather accidentally and while I am suprised by it's final length myself it's basically just a few sentences for each ability.

I think there is not too much feedback on certain characters that are 1) rare, 2) old, 3) most likely too weak rather than too strong. While it is obvious why that is the case (Few people have them; those who don't don't care; those who do got used to them) it is kinda sad to see how much activity there was in Character Discussion (or rather is, if a new Eddie comes out), but now the whole section is rather quiet. I don't know if that is because most people on the boards are familiar with most characters now or at least feel they are. If it is because there is the feeling discussions there aren't read by Devs, so it's a nice place to discuss strategy (which isn't done anymore after the release of PvP - coincidence?), but not to offer suggestions. Or if it is just because the forums as a whole got quieter (exceptions are Update and weekly PvP threads, or some, let's call them standing out, threads like the recent PvP system abuse one).

Maybe the Devs could open some threads similar to the PvP suspect discussions, which received a lot, and in my mind a lot of constructive feedback, for characters they or the player base aren't quite happy with. I like the preliminary Update threads a lot, but discussions there are sometimes hard to follow because of all the different changes to different characters all at once, the threads are gone or at least irrelevant once the corresponding update got released and the discussion that came out of nowhere is brought to an abrupt ending.



Totally unrelated: The game still doesn't run on Bluestacks again. The error message that showed up since the 19th is gone, but the loading bar on the start screen just doesn't move (and no loading text is shown either).

[Nicko]

Thank you! I actually had in mind to do a similar one for Samurai some time ago but didn't really find the time and motivation to do so. This one was rather accidentally and while I am suprised by it's final length myself it's basically just a few sentences for each ability.

I think there is not too much feedback on certain characters that are 1) rare, 2) old, 3) most likely too weak rather than too strong. While it is obvious why that is the case (Few people have them; those who don't don't care; those who do got used to them) it is kinda sad to see how much activity there was in Character Discussion (or rather is, if a new Eddie comes out), but now the whole section is rather quiet. I don't know if that is because most people on the boards are familiar with most characters now or at least feel they are. If it is because there is the feeling discussions there aren't read by Devs, so it's a nice place to discuss strategy (which isn't done anymore after the release of PvP - coincidence?), but not to offer suggestions. Or if it is just because the forums as a whole got quieter (exceptions are Update and weekly PvP threads, or some, let's call them standing out, threads like the recent PvP system abuse one).

Maybe the Devs could open some threads similar to the PvP suspect discussions, which received a lot, and in my mind a lot of constructive feedback, for characters they or the player base aren't quite happy with. I like the preliminary Update threads a lot, but discussions there are sometimes hard to follow because of all the different changes to different characters all at once, the threads are gone or at least irrelevant once the corresponding update got released and the discussion that came out of nowhere is brought to an abrupt ending.



Totally unrelated: The game still doesn't run on Bluestacks again. The error message that showed up since the 19th is gone, but the loading bar on the start screen just doesn't move (and no loading text is shown either).

Visions, Samurai, and Rainmaker had their updates - lets hope Aces High and VHE are next.

I had an issue with Bluestacks not running and my software said it was up to date. I still uninstalled it and despite what the software said when I reinstalled after downloading from their website it WAS a newer version - and this version is working fine with LotB on Windows10.

May want to give it a try

[Nine]

Visions, Samurai, and Rainmaker had their updates - lets hope Aces High and VHE are next.

I had an issue with Bluestacks not running and my software said it was up to date. I still uninstalled it and despite what the software said when I reinstalled after downloading from their website it WAS a newer version - and this version is working fine with LotB on Windows10.

May want to give it a try

Are you talking about reinstalling Bluestacks or LotB? If the latter I already tried that, if the the former I'll give it a shot. I run into the same problem with MEmu 2.9.6 though. MEmu with Android 5.1 doesn't have the problem and the game works fine there. That version, however, and I don't know if that's due to my laptop is rather unstable for me and crashes quite often :(

[Edit: I just reinstalled Bluestacks and now the game immediately crashes after I try to start it. Can't even make it to the loading screen]

While I agree that Visions and Rainmaker are in a good place now - or better, that they are certainly not to weak - I hope they are not done with Samurai. He actually has problems that are quite similar to VH's: depending on luck in the wrong situations (here it renders Soul Sheath mostly useless), questionable defensive ability (I think Cyclone shield is kinda ok, but only a single target shield that has to be recast every second turn is not very appealing), and after the latest tuning more than ever a redundant damage ability (before tuning one would stick to Crimson Strike, now one uses Flash of the Blade. A chance of getting chance for a heal Block is not enough reason for it to be used and it is overshadowed in damage and the chance for an extra turn).

[mjmxiii]

I'm gonna say it's all of the above on why those character threads are so quiet... not enough people have them so it's hard to care.. reading those threads just makes me wish I had all these chars... just got Visions last month, still working on talismans. Don't have Samurai but wouldn't mind seeing him after the red eyes. Same for VH, CG, TG, AH... the list goes on and on. I'm still waiting to see the AoF flap it's wings a million times a minute for me... Just haven't opened enough legendary to beat the odds.

I think it's a great idea to have a thread or section like the suspect but not so much for people to say chars are too good or overpowered for pvp! More like what you did pointing out how and why they should be better. There's a ton of cool chars but they can't all be killer I guess... although more should have better stats at 5* 100. It would be cool to have a section like that in the forums...

[DIEDD]

Samurai Eddie was my first 5 star character. Is one of my favorite eddies but I think he needs a review on his skills.

Aces high eddie is one of the most rare characters and one of the coolest. I have mine fully sharded but it would be great if the devs do something with those damn shield skills they have, it's a real pain to spend 8 skillshards on these skills without knowing how they apply them.

[slauki]

not sure if that was reported already but red NOBL deals this after casting his power move sometimes:

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saw it several times that some of my chars where stunned out of nowhere and then i catched what happened...the red nobl caused it.
aside from that does someone thikg this guy should only revenge when he gets hit? otherwise it's too hard to revenge when attacking an ally AND
remove up to 25 buffs 100% of the time ;)

[HomemLivre]

not sure if that was reported already but red NOBL deals this after casting his power move sometimes:

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saw it several times that some of my chars where stunned out of nowhere and then i catched what happened...the red nobl caused it.
aside from that does someone thikg this guy should only revenge when he gets hit? otherwise it's too hard to revenge when attacking an ally AND
remove up to 25 buffs 100% of the time ;)

Hello Slauki, this happens becouse he probably is equiped with a Explosive set, the NBOL alone cant do this.
Hope that helps.

[slauki]

Hello Slauki, this happens becouse he probably is equiped with a Explosive set, the NBOL alone cant do this.
Hope that helps.y

yeah i thought this might be a talisman effect, but it was new to me, not sure if that's intended... anyway best of luck for the final rush, but i think it's safe to congratulate you for the eternal mate :D

[Ringe666-7406]

Hello Slauki, this happens becouse he probably is equiped with a Explosive set, the NBOL alone cant do this.
Hope that helps.

Slauki only reads his own thread, the one with the characters, so he is not so familiar with talismans :D I thank you in his name for enlightening him :cool:

[HomemLivre]

Slauki only reads his own thread, the one with the characters, so he is not so familiar with talismans :D I thank you in his name for enlightening him :cool:

Hahaha, this talis are ancient and not available anymore, perhaps they will be in BNW again :P
Need to say that I like them to much!

[HomemLivre]

y

yeah i thought this might be a talisman effect, but it was new to me, not sure if that's intended... anyway best of luck for the final rush, but i think it's safe to congratulate you for the eternal mate :D

Hahahah, we can never know until the week is over but I will be here to the last minute! But thank you anyway, I almost dont sleep last night and the stressfull sensation to be in the Eternal is new for me hahah

Cheers!

[Sparton_LOTB]

Don't forget to buff the sentinel pumpkins! I'm not even joking, I really want to build a pumpkin defensive team.

Hah, yeah, Sentinel Pumpkins will always have a close place in my heart, even if they're not the most viable things in the world.

Sadly, we're not too big a fan of making the limited time holiday allies super viable (since they're not widely available), but I've been kicking around ideas with Kaz to make them "seasonally powerful" or something.


Hm, that requires some guessing since there a few of them that come to mind deserving that :D

Since you explicitely name him some thaughts on him and his abilities (having finished, this got more than I aimed for, sorry...):

[Mucho dealios about Vampire Hunter Eddie]

A lot of solid points, that's for sure.

I think you're underselling the value of having two ways to revive allies, though (Power and Fury). Obviously, that'd be a bit more reasonable if Rouse was at least more consistent, so uh... good guess on that part.

Overall, there's definitely a lot more smaller things we could probably do to push him into the limelight a bit more. I think, based on the way his data is set up, he was one of the earliest characters created in the game, so there does seem to be stuff designed for a slightly different combat system/meta in mind. I don't think we want to overdo it with tuning him, though, and we definitely want people to consider building team compositions to help make characters shine.


Maybe the Devs could open some threads similar to the PvP suspect discussions, which received a lot, and in my mind a lot of constructive feedback, for characters they or the player base aren't quite happy with. I like the preliminary Update threads a lot, but discussions there are sometimes hard to follow because of all the different changes to different characters all at once, the threads are gone or at least irrelevant once the corresponding update got released and the discussion that came out of nowhere is brought to an abrupt ending.

Hm... I do agree, that does sound like an interesting idea. For the most part, we've been just taking suggestions as they come in and making notes for future reference, but I'll have to follow up with Kaz about if and how we could schedule that. Sadly, we're been pretty swamped with tasks this week (we thought we'd get preliminary tuning notes out by the end of the week, but too much was coming up, so hopefully early next week).


Totally unrelated: The game still doesn't run on Bluestacks again. The error message that showed up since the 19th is gone, but the loading bar on the start screen just doesn't move (and no loading text is shown either).

I'll have to triple check when I'm back in the office what the situation is there. I know we have more comparability fixes for the next update, but I don't recall the full scope of what the fixes are.

[Jofer16]

Hahahah, we can never know until the week is over but I will be here to the last minute! But thank you anyway, I almost dont sleep last night and the stressfull sensation to be in the Eternal is new for me hahah

Cheers!

Nah you're good. Welcome to the mountaintop! It's nice to have another peer. You're just feeling the juice :) I needed an excuse to post this ridiculous video, you're a true survivor!

Edit: theres also a Pharoah Dog at the 47 second mark haha


https://youtu.be/ZTidn2dBYbY

[HomemLivre]

Nah you're good. Welcome to the mountaintop! It's nice to have another peer. You're just feeling the juice :) I needed an excuse to post this ridiculous video, you're a true survivor!

Edit: theres also a Pharoah Dog at the 47 second mark haha


https://youtu.be/ZTidn2dBYbY

Hahahahahhaahhaha, tks man, the feeling is really good! Im watching this incredible run between Gmac and Kamuz, and personally cheering for Gmac! I know he can do it! #teamgmac

About the video, did you watched Kung Fury? Its awesome, coarse but super funny! Really enjoyed the video ref! hahahhaha

Cheers!

Edit: Great ref to the PDK! But from a nordic point of view! hhahahaha

Edit 2: Thor from this short movie is the most badass and awesome Thor ever.

[HomemLivre]

@SilentKnight please don't smash your phone on the wall! Hahaha, joking!

[Ringe666-7406]

Hahaha, this talis are ancient and not available anymore, perhaps they will be in BNW again :P
Need to say that I like them to much!

Yeah, I know. I'd bite my ass now for selling all of them. Hoping to see them in BNW too, whenever that might be.

[HomemLivre]

Yeah, I know. I'd bite my ass now for selling all of them. Hoping to see them in BNW too, whenever that might be.

Luckily I saved a set and I need to say, it rocks!!! Want to use it asap!

[Ringe666-7406]

Hey Sparton, saw you are here on thread, and wanted to give you a note that a troll equipped wit strike talismans just revenged on me after I used Sentinel Corrupt Droid's power move. I hope you'll look into this soon, and I also believe that you are aware of the problem that when strike effect is removed from enemy (I use warrior NoL), he still revenges one last time. Thanks in advance.

[Kaz_LOTB]

Hm, that requires some guessing since there a few of them that come to mind deserving that :D

Since you explicitely name him some thaughts on him and his abilities (having finished, this got more than I aimed for, sorry...):

Before going into detail just let me start by saying that I like him and the concept behind him a lot - he is one of the few characters that even on his own can be played quite strategic...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feedback on VH. I agree he is indeed overdue for a bit a rework and I share a lot of the same concerns you have. He's on my list of characters to take a look at. Probably not for the next update, but shortly after that.

Cheers,

-Kaz

[Jofer16]

What a race for top 3 though! Gmac, you're a beast!

[HomemLivre]

What a race for top 3 though! Gmac, you're a beast!

#teamgmac

Hureeeeey!

Edit: Ok, Gmac already beated Kamuz, was really a incredible run!

[Patrice-1201]

#teamgmac

Hureeeeey!

Edit: Ok, Gmac already beated Kamuz, was really a incredible run!
Well done HomemLivre!!!!

[CanyptianFit]

Congrats Homenlivre! You were a punching bag not too long ago, good to see you on top!

Well done!

[gmac]

I'm so happy that after this week events I get to share podium with 2 FRIENDS and probably the 2 guys that have helped me the most in the game (along with Sag).

Jofer, you said you'd stay away from Eternal and you did, not only that you even put the same champion as HomemLivre showing your support. And people say you are not class... Total nonsense.

And HomemLivre, you certainly deserve this one. You can foresee where this game is going like no other. All your defenses have been brilliant, this one is stellar. Very, very happy for you.

And earlier in the day when you said it would be cool if I made podium I just had to try. Glad it worked​ out. (But only because Kamuz stopped playing - btw your sistem is great man, congrats)

Also I just saw KillHouse at top 5, awesome.

Could not be happier about how things turned out.

(I'm only sad I don't have Santa Eddie, that would be a cool picturel)

Cheers everybody, let's celebrate!

[HomemLivre]

Well done HomemLivre!!!!

Thanks man!!!



Congrats Homenlivre! You were a punching bag not too long ago, good to see you on top!

Well done!

Hahaha, sad past that better be buried there! hahahah
Thanks man!

[Jofer16]

I'm so happy that after this week events I get to share podium with 2 FRIENDS and probably the 2 guys that have helped me the most in the game (along with Sag).

Jofer, you said you'd stay away from Eternal and you did, not only that you even put the same champion as HomemLivre showing your support. And people say you are not class... Total nonsense.

And HomemLivre, you certainly deserve this one. You can foresee where this game is going like no other. All your defenses have been brilliant, this one is stellar. Very, very happy for you.

And earlier in the day when you said it would be cool if I made podium I just had to try. Glad it worked​ out. (But only because Kamuz stopped playing - btw your sistem is great man, congrats)

Also I just saw KillHouse at top 5, awesome.

Could not be happier about how things turned out.

(I'm only sad I don't have Santa Eddie, that would be a cool picturel)

Cheers everybody, let's celebrate!

And celebrate we shall, cheers bud!

[HomemLivre]

I'm so happy that after this week events I get to share podium with 2 FRIENDS and probably the 2 guys that have helped me the most in the game (along with Sag).

Jofer, you said you'd stay away from Eternal and you did, not only that you even put the same champion as HomemLivre showing your support. And people say you are not class... Total nonsense.

And HomemLivre, you certainly deserve this one. You can foresee where this game is going like no other. All your defenses have been brilliant, this one is stellar. Very, very happy for you.

And earlier in the day when you said it would be cool if I made podium I just had to try. Glad it worked​ out. (But only because Kamuz stopped playing - btw your sistem is great man, congrats)

Also I just saw KillHouse at top 5, awesome.

Could not be happier about how things turned out.

(I'm only sad I don't have Santa Eddie, that would be a cool picturel)

Cheers everybody, let's celebrate!

Hell yeah, man! Now I know the feeling and I need to say, Its great!

All of you said are true, agreed with you in every single word! Its awesome to share a podium with you two guys!
Was an amazing experience and I encourage everyone that wants to try to do it!

Kamuz was a hard players and passed like a truck through everyone, contragts man!

[Jofer16]

Hell yeah, man! Now I know the feeling and I need to say, Its great!

Now that you know how it feels you can jam out to the Eternal theme song.. lol


https://youtu.be/9TlBTPITo1I

[HomemLivre]

Now that you know how it feels you can jam out to the Eternal theme song.. lol


https://youtu.be/9TlBTPITo1I

Hahahahha! Of course, lets all sing togheter! Your song refs are awesome btw hahaha!

[Tritium]

Congrats HomemLivre! I was rather busy today and didn't get to see your fight to maintain the top spot, but it's awesome to hear that you pulled it off! All of your hard work and those many weeks where you pushed through receiving 400+ attacks have finally paid off. Awesome stuff, man!

[gmac]

Oh boy

There is a Stevie with 3436 points... LOL

Haha

Here we go again?

[Jofer16]

Oh boy

There is a Stevie with 3436 points... LOL

Haha

Here we go again?

Salty money bags must have an alt lol

[Kamuz24z]

Almost made it I couldn't play the last 2 hours but still finish at rank 4 congrats to the top guys homelivre, gmac, who was the 3rd ? It was fun

[hold]

Congratulations HomenLivre!

For me those Saturday game days are difficult as they end in the middle of the night.

But I became 16th and I can live with that. Especially as I have done it without one single refill. I only used the free SoW I got from the game. It was a little experiment and it worked somehow. In the top 25 with very little effort and a 97% win rate on attack :)

[Jofer16]

Oh boy

There is a Stevie with 3436 points... LOL

Haha

Here we go again?

Looks like they're gone now, weird.

[HomemLivre]

Congrats HomemLivre! I was rather busy today and didn't get to see your fight to maintain the top spot, but it's awesome to hear that you pulled it off! All of your hard work and those many weeks where you pushed through receiving 400+ attacks have finally paid off. Awesome stuff, man!

Thanks man, appreciated! That past wees was a pain in the *** but at least things are a little more close to normal and I figured that my change was yesterday hahahah


Almost made it I couldn't play the last 2 hours but still finish at rank 4 congrats to the top guys homelivre, gmac, who was the 3rd ? It was fun
Man, I watched your run with Gmac since it started, was awesome!!! Thanks man!


Congratulations HomenLivre!

Thanks man!! :)

[Liebhild]

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??????????

[Shaolin85london]

Congrats HomemLivre for the eternal, u deserve it 100%

Still remember when you were use to be attacked absurd amount of time, and today it's just result of your perseverance and passion, proud to be your troops. Cheers!

[Fister]

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??????????

It's a power move by VE. Don't have him and don't remember the name og the move.

[HomemLivre]

Congrats HomemLivre for the eternal, u deserve it 100%

Still remember when you were use to be attacked absurd amount of time, and today it's just result of your perseverance and passion, proud to be your troops. Cheers!

Thanks man! These days are a bad memory but now the feeling is good! hahaha, tks man, really appreciated!

[Tritium]

Sparton, will there be a fix soon for the 3-tap skill bugs? I'm still experiencing game hang ups when using Cyborg's Deady Eye attack. :\

[HomemLivre]

Sparton and/or Kaz, did you guys have plans to buff the Storm Eddie? Hes awesome but he need a buff and a improved AI to be worth of use.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Sparton, will there be a fix soon for the 3-tap skill bugs? I'm still experiencing game hang ups when using Cyborg's Deady Eye attack. :\

Have you tried to clear cache to force a redownload of game assets?

(Also, if you do try that again, make sure on the front end that you log in and then wait a few minutes before hitting "START". Otherwise, you may make it into the game without all of the data, which can lead to having corrupt assets; this is safeguarded in the next update, but still a problem for the current one.)


Sparton and/or Kaz, did you guys have plans to buff the Storm Eddie? Hes awesome but he need a buff and a improved AI to be worth of use.

I don't think I've looked at him in a while, and I don't recall if Kaz has recently either. I agree he's definitely pretty cool, but I'd be worried about doing too much on him before revisiting some of the other higher-rarity Eddies first (unless there's something simple we could do that doesn't risk making him too powerful or something).

[Nicko]

Sparton and/or Kaz, did you guys have plans to buff the Storm Eddie? Hes awesome but he need a buff and a improved AI to be worth of use.

Homem - why do you say he needs a buff? His basic is pretty powerful - his Fury and heals are insane - and Haze is great when paired with Magus toons. Add in great Def and MR with solid HP for an Assassin, and I'd say he's a very well rounded 3* Eddie.

Tradeoff for all that power? He's random - take it or leave it ;)

Sparton - do you mean Aces High and VHE when you say "higher-rarity Eddies"?

Aces High is a 5* who's less impressive than his 4* Gunner brothers. Hoping he's brought up to 5* status...

[Sparton_LOTB]

Sparton - do you mean Aces High and VHE when you say "higher-rarity Eddies"?

Aces High is a 5* who's less impressive than his 4* Gunner brothers. Hoping he's brought up to 5* status...

Yup.

Me and Kaz alluded to it within the last few pages, but we have a small change in store for Vampire Hunter Eddie, and while only a bug fix for Aces High Eddie in the (still to be posted) preliminary notes, he's on our radar as someone to look at more thoroughly.

[Nicko]

Awesome - thank you!

[HomemLivre]

I don't think I've looked at him in a while, and I don't recall if Kaz has recently either. I agree he's definitely pretty cool, but I'd be worried about doing too much on him before revisiting some of the other higher-rarity Eddies first (unless there's something simple we could do that doesn't risk making him too powerful or something).

Its ok, Im just asking to calm my curiosity hahaha, hes super nice and you know, hes in the backwall of the char screen lol


Homem - why do you say he needs a buff? His basic is pretty powerful - his Fury and heals are insane - and Haze is great when paired with Magus toons. Add in great Def and MR with solid HP for an Assassin, and I'd say he's a very well rounded 3* Eddie.

Tradeoff for all that power? He's random - take it or leave it ;)

His stats are pretty much fine imo (just like VHE - that I want so much lol) but what makes me wonder about the buff is about his % of all skill, their very low and almost never proc, not to say that theres no room for any acc up char in a team with him.

[Sparton_LOTB]

Heads up, there is a new May 2017 Tuning - PRELIMINARY (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5640) thread.

It also has a new discussion thread (http://forum.ironmaidenlegacy.com/showthread.php?5641) for all of your tuning discussion needs.