February 2nd 2017 Update Discussion

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Originally Posted by Sag7272

Still don't think you are the only one out there taking a break, Arena is kind of quiet since the update, many probably wait for a fix..

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I'm not surprised. Here are my thought of what needs to happen (obviously in addition to the bugs being fixed) for people to stay engaged w/ PVP:

1. Implement some kind of fast-pass system for missions already cleared w/ 3 skulls -Yes, I've said it before and will keep saying it. It gets long and boring to go through 50 troopers a day even on double speed auto. These passes can be farmable and/or daily rewards, etc. But the amount of time PVP takes makes doing both unmanageable for many (myself included for the long term).
2. Cut down on the trophy losses for defensive defeats. You really shouldn't lose 100% of what your opponent gained because they can beat the AI version of your team. It should maybe be 50% lost for players on the same par as you (maybe a little lower if they are much higher than you and a little higher if they are much lower than you.
[If you think this is not a problem then explain to me why less than 10% of the 250 players who qualified for the Warlord III rank had enough trophies to go with their rank this past cycle?]
3. Don't spend forever balancing characters before you go live w/ worldwide PVP release but take care of the elephant in the room - Yes, the Prisoner! It really is unbelievable after all the talk that other characters were nerfed while the one who disables every passive effectively remains untouched. (Sorry for those who have him, but you know it's true.)

Nothing new here. But for me this is some of what it would take to keep me in PVP longer term. And of course new content will be needed ASAP to keep me interested in PVE.

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Originally Posted by RCarter

Lol That's just awesome!

I am also getting quite the hang at the 75% load up point when starting the game. The game will eventually finish loading. I haven't actually timed it yet, but its probably in the 30-45 second range. This also started right after updating, and happens every time I start the game.

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I'm having the same issue with the game loading stuck at 75%, and then after a long wait, it finally loads the "Start" button.
I thought about uninstalling and reinstalling the game, but I'm afraid that it may get totally screwed up and not load at all. Sigh, the game is taking up more than 1.8 Gigs on my iPhone.

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Originally Posted by BillLion

I'm not surprised. Here are my thought of what needs to happen (obviously in addition to the bugs being fixed) for people to stay engaged w/ PVP:

1. Implement some kind of fast-pass system for missions already cleared w/ 3 skulls -Yes, I've said it before and will keep saying it. It gets long and boring to go through 50 troopers a day even on double speed auto. These passes can be farmable and/or daily rewards, etc. But the amount of time PVP takes makes doing both unmanageable for many (myself included for the long term).
2. Cut down on the trophy losses for defensive defeats. You really shouldn't lose 100% of what your opponent gained because they can beat the AI version of your team. It should maybe be 50% lost for players on the same par as you (maybe a little lower if they are much higher than you and a little higher if they are much lower than you.
[If you think this is not a problem then explain to me why less than 10% of the 250 players who qualified for the Warlord III rank had enough trophies to go with their rank this past cycle?]
3. Don't spend forever balancing characters before you go live w/ worldwide PVP release but take care of the elephant in the room - Yes, the Prisoner! It really is unbelievable after all the talk that other characters were nerfed while the one who disables every passive effectively remains untouched. (Sorry for those who have him, but you know it's true.)

Nothing new here. But for me this is some of what it would take to keep me in PVP longer term. And of course new content will be needed ASAP to keep me interested in PVE.

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#1 = 100% with you :)

#2 = 100% with you... Main reason to not fight within your "rank" (Beside stupid refresh who send me highest player at around 1700 when I'm 3k + points)
You have to fight lower rank to prevent the yoyo effect of powerful players fighting back & forth if you want to progress witch kill the very idea of not bashing lower ranked players at first..

#3 = Even if it seem like a great idea(Of course I'm having one) we're risk of render him useless since he can't do much more than that anyway & have to be combined to be of any use so unless making him AoD or makes radical changes skillwise changing his passive would probably kill him for good, dev said they have something up their sleeves hence his "non nerf status", let's see what it is first, he's at risk of being rendered useless like the AoS and as a native 5* Gunner who eat a lot of skillshards it should never happend.. Half of top 10 don't have him & still fare well even if he definitely help, let's see what future bring for him.. And for us lol

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Originally Posted by satani

any info on the instant-crash fix, which happens to some of the android players here? (game starts and directly force-closes)

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We have a lead as to why it is occurring and are ensuring we have a thorough fix (and a way to ensure this doesn't crop up again).

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Originally Posted by BillLion

1. Implement some kind of fast-pass system for missions already cleared w/ 3 skulls -Yes, I've said it before and will keep saying it. It gets long and boring to go through 50 troopers a day even on double speed auto. These passes can be farmable and/or daily rewards, etc. But the amount of time PVP takes makes doing both unmanageable for many (myself included for the long term).

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The main bottleneck is to ensure all 50 of your troopers are used, yes? This is definitely a growing concern for the team as well, and we're looking into either new solutions for re-prioritizing solutions we were going to implement later.

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Originally Posted by BillLion

2. Cut down on the trophy losses for defensive defeats. You really shouldn't lose 100% of what your opponent gained because they can beat the AI version of your team. It should maybe be 50% lost for players on the same par as you (maybe a little lower if they are much higher than you and a little higher if they are much lower than you.
[If you think this is not a problem then explain to me why less than 10% of the 250 players who qualified for the Warlord III rank had enough trophies to go with their rank this past cycle?]

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In this update, we actually do have a mechanism that reduces points you gain from any loss... but currently we have this implemented only at the lower ranks.

The expectation is that it will be easier to climb when there are more people around you in points... so by reducing point losses for the lower ranks, we will have people struggling in the 1000-1400 area be able to more easily climb during the week. We don't want to reduce point losses entirely across the board, though, because we don't want there to just be rapid point inflation; we want the higher brackets of VP to transition into competing more on rank, and we want having a capable defense to be important in addition to a consistently successful attack record.

That said, we know there's not as many people competing for the top 100 division, but since there's such a point disparity between the top and everyone else, people on both ends are more likely to matchmake each other. Once the leaderboard is populated with more of the total playerbase, we expect you'll more often be matched with people around your VP, which will make climbing more consistent (and thus filling out the mid and upper divisions more evenly).

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Originally Posted by BillLion

3. Don't spend forever balancing characters before you go live w/ worldwide PVP release but take care of the elephant in the room - Yes, the Prisoner! It really is unbelievable after all the talk that other characters were nerfed while the one who disables every passive effectively remains untouched. (Sorry for those who have him, but you know it's true.)

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We are 100% aware. Solutions we wanted to take were not possible in time for this release, so they were held back. We are committed to ensuring he is not so pervasive in PVP, but we are also committed to not nerfing him into oblivion, so we want to be careful about any changes we do (to him directly or to affect the meta in general).

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Originally Posted by RCarter

When opening up the team selection screen in PVE, I see what looks like the PVP team selection screen for a brief second. Pretty sure its from PVP, because it says things like streak bonus. I am not involved in the PVP beta. This happens every single time, and started the first game I payed after updating.

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Yeah, the team selection screen's base file is shared between the two features (with certain things shown or hidden depending on which feature you're accessing it from), so it looks like some stuff is not properly initializing. I'll make sure we have that tracked to get fixed eventually.

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Originally Posted by RCarter

I am also getting quite the hang at the 75% load up point when starting the game. The game will eventually finish loading. I haven't actually timed it yet, but its probably in the 30-45 second range. This also started right after updating, and happens every time I start the game.

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We're still investigating what the cause of that is. Rest assured, if you're seeing it sit on 75%, as far as we can tell it will eventually load, it just may take a long amount of time (unsure what variables cause it to take longer, though).

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Originally Posted by IceManFerrar

Sigh, the game is taking up more than 1.8 Gigs on my iPhone.

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This update should reduce the footprint by a fair bit, and over the next week or two it should better reflect the actual data needed for the game.

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

The main bottleneck is to ensure all 50 of your troopers are used, yes? This is definitely a growing concern for the team as well, and we're looking into either new solutions for re-prioritizing solutions we were going to implement later.

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Yes, that's the concern -time/life balance w/ keeping up daily responsibility to our troopers AND competing in PVP. Something will have to give. Fast pass system would be great I think. Another idea is reduce the max # of troopers allowed and just changed some of the cost structure in the shop.

Thanks for the detailed response -much appreciated.

Thanks very much for the update Sparton - appreciated.

I echo BillLion's comments...thanks Sparton for the detailed responses and explanations.

Another idea for using troopers would be to allow players who have reached level 100 with all gold skulls to no longer be limited to one per battle. We could just fill all slots available and reduce the amount of battles to 10 or 12 depending on our Eddie to Ally ratio. This would make for playing PvE and PvP both more realistic.

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Originally Posted by Chaosego888

Another idea for using troopers would be to allow players who have reached level 100 with all gold skulls to no longer be limited to one per battle. We could just fill all slots available and reduce the amount of battles to 10 or 12 depending on our Eddie to Ally ratio. This would make for playing PvE and PvP both more realistic.

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This would be great! Even just allowing for one Eddie trooper and one ally trooper in the same battle would make a big difference.

Perhaps they can make it a two-step thing. After clearing the game with all gold skulls, you can use two troopers (one Eddie and one ally) per battle and when reaching lvl 100 we can use 1-3 additional troopers on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Leo_ID

I've tried the CR thing in AMOLAD madness. First try, I use Scythe skill all the way through the boss. I have no stats change. No increase nor decrease occurs.

Things get interesting when I replay the battle and use Wither instead. The magic & magic resistance buff seem to always occur and accumulate for the next round. Here are the screenshots I took every start of the round (1-2-3-4-boss respectively)

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I remember that back then Wither skill benefits from this bug, it gets stronger as the battle progresses. But it was fixed in a past update. This is probably a comeback bug.

As for the problem that ToTameAGame and everybody else suffer, I'm not sure what happen there, but it seems like the update doesn't really works in a same way for everybody. Some got it right, some got it wrong.

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Is this normal, or is it a bug after the update?? This morning I’ve played SL Endless Rain & SL Lightbringer, both of madness, with the following team: CR Eddie + Sentinel Allied Bomber Boy + Sentinel Pyro Soldier. So, in the 1st round of the last stages of those SL, CR Eddie had the following stats raised:

Lightbringer
ATK: +50%
DEF: +300%
MAG: +300%
M.RESIST: +300%

Endless Rain
ATK: +50%
DEF: +300%
MAG: +350%
M.RESIST: + 400% !!!

I guess then, that CR Eddie can’t be untouched by magic… which is useless against Hellhoundz & Axis Bomber Boys attacks anyway… but still…

Now I know I'm gonna hurt some feelings but sometimes it's just necessary for not seeing beyond your nose. And please note that I'm not adressing messengers but the ideas. So please don't find yourselfs called out.
About that 1.,2.,3. list. What Sparton said.

1. BillLion's second post on troopers. I'm with you due to time consumption.
But it ment a world in early stages of the game to have more troopers so you can buy things, and get passed those hard levels your troopers just had the wright crearure for, didn't it? Ok, cut down to 40 but no less. And that fast farming, x3 but no more. Claiming, no way. No time to play, no rewards, but you can still buy them. Not me :)

2. Pvp. All talking here.. we have a pvp discussion thread for this. It's not worldwide yet and there are pve issues that are getting drowned here. Just don't get that. Nevermind. I'll start a thread there.
Again, what Sparton said + I'd make higher tiers to loose even more for loosing and gain even less from/for bashing lower tiers + the list for attacks and after the reset at the end of the week is wrong too and should be set acordingly. Like in real life, pick on someone of your own size. I feel like prick attacking lower ranked ppl. I'm totaly for the newer players, who cares about you and me old pricks, we have enough. Don't get upset here, I'll explain it there, by nightfall tomorrow GMT on pvp thread, so stay tooned :)

3. All I can say about the prisoner is that I'm sorry I don't own one. And that I'm sorry that we don't have more creatures with that passive, and another, 'no passives arena', or '4* arena' to select on enterance (like pve has worlds) so that we can shine our prisoners all we want and still play something unaffected by them.

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Originally Posted by MoonShadow

Is this normal, or is it a bug after the update?? This morning I’ve played SL Endless Rain & SL Lightbringer, both of madness, with the following team: CR Eddie + Sentinel Allied Bomber Boy + Sentinel Pyro Soldier. So, in the 1st round of the last stages of those SL, CR Eddie had the following stats raised:

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I guess then, that CR Eddie can’t be untouched by magic… which is useless against Hellhoundz & Axis Bomber Boys attacks anyway… but still…

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That is not intended to happen. There is a bug in the current version where status effects (bonuses, penalties, and otherwise) can stack in the campaign battles on your Eddie. This will be fixed in the next update.

Just had Soldier Eddie with a progressive 250% to attack and defense do over 16,000 with barrage in normal Lightbringer.

Only to get yet another MACLO crash after clearing the hellhounds...

Screwed out of secret area loot and trooper points (sorry PizzaFriday...) yet again.

Please Sparton, with sugar on top, say that you guys have some kind of lead on these crashes. Shits getting old brother.

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Originally Posted by RCarter

Just had Soldier Eddie with a progressive 250% to attack and defense do over 16,000 with barrage in normal Lightbringer.

Only to get yet another MACLO crash after clearing the hellhounds...

Screwed out of secret area loot and trooper points (sorry PizzaFriday...) yet again.

Please Sparton, with sugar on top, say that you guys have some kind of lead on these crashes. Shits getting old brother.

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Do you recall how many secret locations you cleared today (or which ones, or how many 3 day reset ones)?

Sparton - is it at all possible that MACLOs are caused by drops somehow conflicting with our existing inventory? I haven't applied statistics to this, but it seems like they are way more prevalent on quests / SLs / floors with the largest drops.

druid138-6195

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

Do you recall how many secret locations you cleared today (or which ones, or how many 3 day reset ones)?

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Sure do:

All three in the Ailing Kingdom, Normal and Madness in KoTS, Battlefield Normal, and Underworld Normal.

I think only the UW sl is a 3 day reset.

druid: I have doubts that those crashes are inventory related. I had just sold off excess stuff before doing the secret level run.

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Originally Posted by druid138

Sparton - is it at all possible that MACLOs are caused by drops somehow conflicting with our existing inventory? I haven't applied statistics to this, but it seems like they are way more prevalent on quests / SLs / floors with the largest drops.

druid138-6195

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It's possible, but I don't know the cause myself. I don't think there's anything in particular we've ruled out.

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Originally Posted by RCarter

Sure do:

All three in the Ailing Kingdom, Normal and Madness in KoTS, Battlefield Normal, and Underworld Normal.

I think only the UW sl is a 3 day reset.

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Thanks, I'll pass that along to see if that helps isolate what happened.

well, since the crashing bug is still not fixed (and yes, i sent and email with alll technical details. (i have yet found no pattern, android 4.2 to 4.4.4, 1GB and 2GB devices, resolutions from fullhd to lower). On all 4 devices, the game ran before.

Now my friend has stopped waiting after 5 days and uninstalled the game. Way to go, NRG!
I don't think he'll ever come back as he didn't like some of the talisman-nerfs too.

The 75 ironite gift (code or link on facebook) is ok, but what for? I have 1000+ ironite and nothing to spend on. Bring some special souls (like BNW or christmas ones) to spend the ironite!

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

That is not intended to happen. There is a bug in the current version where status effects (bonuses, penalties, and otherwise) can stack in the campaign battles on your Eddie. This will be fixed in the next update.

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Thanks for your response, Sparton! Well, at least, it is a 'friendly' bug....:D

Thought I'd make some observations based on my experiences with the update so far.

Effects do not seem to apply to any Eddie at all from what I've seen so far, either positive or negative. The status icons appear above the health bar but the effects do not actually seem to apply. All effects apply normally to allies BTW. So whilst it is nice that Visions Eddie's fury is not going to be a complete waste for a while it is incredibly game breaking. Surprised no-one seems to have made a note of this so far, or maybe just my version of the game is glitched.

AoF's passive only triggers whenever it wants to. Most of the time it works but every now and then it fails to trigger. I've figured out that it only seems to trigger whenever you kill the enemy the targeting reticule is on but even then it sometimes doesn't work.

Obviously the effect talismans (burning, freezing, e.t.c) now have effect chances so low that they're now practically worthless, I've had to rebuild a lot of my characters who were based around these effects as a result.

Not the only one to point it out, but GR Eddie seems to randomly damage himself sometimes. It doesn't necessarily happen all the time but enough to make farming the harder levels difficult. Something else I've also noticed is - and I don't know if this is any sort of passive on any particular enemy - but after attacking or killing an enemy, the whole team is either damaged at random or gets some sort of random negative effect applied which usually cripples the player and forces them to either spend ironite after their team inevitably gets wiped out or take control manually to try and save the battle.



Also, some slight observations on MACL0: I'm not sure what it is that triggers it but it seems to be linked to the inventory and with stacks of items. More specifically, I find that if I have more than one stack of any particular item (shards, runes, e.t.c.) at any particular * level, then I have more of a chance of being greeted by MACL0. But if I only have one stack of that particular item then I seem to be able to avoid it. It's weird either way, but selling off duplicate stacks and generally clearing my inventory seems to have helped so far and (touch wood) I haven't actually had MACL0 for a while.


EDIT: so after more observation, turns out whether or not effects apply to Eddie seems to be completely random: sometimes the effects apply, sometimes they don't. Can't tell you how many times the endure effect has failed to apply to my Eddie causing me to have to spend ironite to continue only for it to suddenly work the next round. It's just incredibly random.

Any updates on the issue that the achievements menu is hanging/crashing?
As described here.

Been this for at least 2 weeks now and it's way beyond boring!

Won against player who only has 150pts less than me in Arena and I still get 12pts only. Great tuning, keep up the good work \m/

Hey Sparton, what about the Equilibrium skill from Visions Eddie that you said it would be fixed in the current patch?

Still not cleansing in the second turn...

Alright, I am aware that this will not become the most constructive post I've written, but this is going on for so long, I really have to urge you: If something like this happens again, please just roll the update back and fix the most critical bugs - first and foremost the immediate crashing. I hope you have data that gave you an insight on how many players are actually affected by this and decided the numbers are neglectible. In case you don't, this might have a lasting impact on the game nobody could wish for.

But even aside from this, I am perplexed by now that such an update could not only go life, but survive as long as it does untouched. At the core of this game and basically everything it evolves around is the combat system. At the moment practically everything that plays a part in the combat system is broken:

- Buffs don't work properly. Some are carrying over from round to round and are stacking (is it limited to Passives? I don't know), some don't have any impact at all (which is great if you actually get Void Shield to proc and it does exactly nothing). That brings us to

- Procs from Talismans don't work at all. I know it's technically not "at all" but rather "really, really, really unlikely", so unlikely you can not rely on them and the best advice might be to switch them for something useful...if you have somthing useful already leveled up. There goes CC

- Healing does randomly not work the way it should. Instead a Carriage Rider kills himself or my Sentinel Golden Son kills my Eddie

- Eddie might further kill himself even if he does not receive healing (what a sentence to type) if his attack can cause additional attacks, yay

- I don't really understand the debuff/unexplainable low damage or healing issue well enough to go into detail, but that's the icing on the cake of "unexpected surprises" you get at the worst moments

I am sure some guys here appreciate the challenge to build a team that is not affected by the named issues, that is buffs, debuffs, healing, procs and certain basic attacks (or even make use of the buff stacking which can be quite efficient), but having this for one entire week now gets really old. We haven't even started with the things independent of combat, such as Skill Shard and Inventory Issues I am fortunately enough not to experience myself.

If it is for technical reasons not possible to roll and update back there really has to be some better way of quality control, some fall net or I-don't know-what.

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Originally Posted by crapmaster

Any updates on the issue that the achievements menu is hanging/crashing?
As described here.

Been this for at least 2 weeks now and it's way beyond boring!

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I don't have an update for that right now, sadly, other than saying we're collecting everyone's info for who is affected (and for how long) and that we are still looking into it.

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Originally Posted by HomemLivre

Hey Sparton, what about the Equilibrium skill from Visions Eddie that you said it would be fixed in the current patch?

Still not cleansing in the second turn...

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I don't think I ever said we had a fix for this... I've probably mentioned that I've passed the info along to the team to be tracked for a fix, but our internal ticket for this issue has never had a fix committed yet.

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Originally Posted by Nine

If it is for technical reasons not possible to roll and update back there really has to be some better way of quality control, some fall net or I-don't know-what.

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It is for technical reasons. The short version of it is an app store update can include changes which are not backwards compatible (either with how the app logic works or with how the server logic works). Once such an update is live, there's no turning back, whether we want to or not.

Generally speaking, when an app update requires us to perform a maintenance mode while it goes live, it's not backward compatible (which is why we need everyone on the new version once the maintenance is down).

I hope the devs will give us a better update soon, if not I am going back to Candy crush :(

LOL!
Now...believe me. I have seen whole teams die of AGS immortality skill and AoS die upon a basic attack while immune and invincible but this one tops it all: Spartons defense team takes no damage from trolls reflect shield...
At least this super intelligent AI, which makes its own decisions wouldn't hurt its maker. kinda calming... 😄

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Originally Posted by Nine

- Buffs don't work properly. Some are carrying over from round to round and are stacking (is it limited to Passives? I don't know), some don't have any impact at all (which is great if you actually get Void Shield to proc and it does exactly nothing). That brings us to

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It's not limited to passives. CR Eddie has a move that has a chance to raise Magic and MR and those buffs stick around, as well as stack once you get them again on another wave. This also seem to be the case with negative stat effects.

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Originally Posted by powerslave74

I am experiencing this with these talismans, as well as with the freeze talismans (like others have posted) and the thief talismans too!

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Bumping this post. I see and understand the freeze nerf on PvP. However, thief among others weren't noted in the notes but were considerably nerfed. What gives?

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Originally Posted by ill

Bumping this post. I see and understand the freeze nerf on PvP. However, thief among others weren't noted in the notes but were considerably nerfed. What gives?

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It has been mentioned before, that due to a newly introduced bug the talismans proc only on one enemy (from my observation it's mostly the target or in PvP it seems to be only the Eddie). This plus the lowered proc % (the intended one) and multi hitter nerf (fix), make it seem like they don't proc at all...

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Originally Posted by Mizrael

LOL!
Now...believe me. I have seen whole teams die of AGS immortality skill and AoS die upon a basic attack while immune and invincible but this one tops it all: Spartons defense team takes no damage from trolls reflect shield...
At least this super intelligent AI, which makes its own decisions wouldn't hurt its maker. kinda calming... 😄

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That's a new one. What team were you using to attack?

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

That's a new one. What team were you using to attack?

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There 's so many bugs, do something devs seriously...
Do you want to lose all players???

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Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB

That's a new one. What team were you using to attack?

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I can't tell you that (It's a secret) And i don't see of what relevance would it be. All that matters is that i had a warrior troll,all 4 characters had a reflect shield on,you went first and not a single one attack of yours did trigger the reflection. no damage numbers,no loss on health bar,no shaking of your toons...

Bye guys and good luck had enough of this shit nothing works and can't claim daily challenges for 2 weeks please feel free to drop me as trooper

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Originally Posted by Mizrael

I can't tell you that (It's a secret) And i don't see of what relevance would it be.

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The relevance is that I could try to diagnose what is happening; either a bug or a misunderstanding on your part for how the characters in the battle are intended to function.

For example, you could be running into a bug that occurs if you have multiple shields on a single character (if you were running two warrior trolls, for example). Or you could have had multiple magma shields instead of multiple reflect shields (magma shields won't reflect damage immediately, and my defense team is set up to try and proc multiple extra turns, potentially plowing through magma shields before they can function outside of their damage reduction).

EDIT: If you don't want to share your team with the world, you can PM me directly.

Sparton, will you make mummy's power smash possible to aim with that stun? Not a single time ever it went where I wanted it...

Not sure if this is a new one. But when Magma shield triggers (explodes to return damage) it takes away the Vanish status from toons even it just triggered and says 3 turns left. Also not sure if this should happen like this.

not sure if it's already been said, but the CR Eddie's basic attack doesn't seem to deal damage now

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but I have noticed that Pharaoh Eddie's future skill Revive All only heals all characters for 363hp since the update.

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Originally Posted by Roquetas-5312

Bye guys and good luck had enough of this shit nothing works and can't claim daily challenges for 2 weeks please feel free to drop me as trooper

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Another good active trooper bites the dust. But who are we to blame you? Thanks for all the trooper points and shame to Legacy of the Bugs - the most overrated alpha version on the planet that people still have high hopes for. There are times I really wish they pull the plug and release us all from our addiction.