Week 3 of PvP - Statistics and Discussion

Week 3 of PvP is a rap. I didn't see how it finished, but know Jofer16 was again #1, Sag #2, and a tight race for #3 with ShaoLinLondo, FallenAngel, and GMAC. Congrats to the winners!

Edit: ShaolinLondo took #3

I kicked back at the beginning of the week. Started picking it up mid week. Fought much harder yesterday.

Results?

I attacked others 33% less, and received 20% less attacks in return.

Hot topics of discussion (in addition to the perpetual Prisoner debate ) continue to be # of attacks/matching - and now character limitations/Talisman triggering again. Should other Eddies or characters be beefed up so they can compete in PvP? Or should taunting be nerfed? Or leave it alone?

I will repeat my opinion that these revenge limits stink without an attack limit. The matching system is goofy, so becoming a sitting duck only makes one feel helpless. Can't have one without the other.

So Statistics

I have a Prisoner

Attack Wins: 97% (402/416) - I attacked 614 the previous week.

Defense Wins: 32% (109/346) - I was attacked 431 the previous week.

ShaolinLondo sent me his stats.

He has no Prisoner.

Attack Wins: 94% (676/716)

Defense Wins: 19% (71/374)

Congrats to everyone out there..
Beginning to wonder what trigger the attack #
Is it position? Sure being in a race false the debate a bit... Being on top too as you worth more points, personally attacked Nicko less this week, for 12pts there was better deals out there.. Is it the "Frightening" factor of some Prisoners teams, so many factors, hard to say, definitive answers is hard to pinpoint...

All in all..
#2 With Prisoner
ATT-98% (516/525)
DEF-31% (104/336)

Lost only 3 or 4 times to tauntfests kind of teams with no button touch for the most part, boring to see em as much but nothing OP it's a strategy like another & there are many possible workarounds, most lost where to "Odd" teams with uncommon & creative builds that I stumbled upon by surprise, good job guys, here's where the future of PvP is to me..
I'll be probably play & thinkers a bit on defense styles & strategy, that's where the fun & answers to many of grief about PvP lay... Let's have fun, I'll let someone else take down Jofer for now, have a nice week!

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Same old same old to observe and report.
Give me too only 150 attacks on my defence and I'm willing to buy 4k ironites monthly too to compete...loosing money, devs.

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Originally Posted by Aristo4

...And I'm willing to buy 4k ironites monthly too to compete...loosing money, devs.

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Don't know for others but personally never bought anything in game since ever, not even Google rewards..

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Originally Posted by Sag7272

Don't know for others but personally never bought anything in game since ever, not even Google rewards..

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I bought ironite for 5 euro once on new years eve, otherwise nothing. I mean I got 200 ironite right now.....why should I bother (buy ironite) and get attacked 400 times while others get attacked 100 times and cruise without problems? Also you might have not bought any, but 800 attacks to be done someone needs a ton of ironite.....if they were stored ok, if not you gotta $$.

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Originally Posted by Sag7272

Let's have fun, I'll let someone else take down Jofer for now, have a nice week!

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My $ on Gmac. If he wants to play all week. I mean wtf was that yesterday??? 2000+ points,impressive!!!

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Originally Posted by Aristo4

I bought ironite for 5 euro once on new years eve, otherwise nothing. I mean I got 200 ironite right now.....why should I bother (buy ironite) and get attacked 400 times while others get attacked 100 times and cruise without problems? Also you might have not bought any, but 800 attacks to be done someone needs a ton of ironite.....if they were stored ok, if not you gotta $$.

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Obviously lol.. like skillshards, if one bought every G/A soul instead of those he would need money to compete too..

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Originally Posted by Silentknight

My $ on Gmac. If he wants to play all week. I mean wtf was that yesterday??? 2000+ points,impressive!!!

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That guy is a killing machine, his victory streaks are unbelievable I can tell you, look at his rooster, I mean.. it's one of the best strategist out there!

Nicko has my stats,only gave him them in case he's doing something on his own. Don't c the point in posting em?
All I know is I spent a lot less ironite for same reward,as predicted. Will be wasting more SoW today...it's called life! Got a date with my baby,nieces 1 year old Rotti/Sheppard cross. Yeah,scary combo,but she's friendly & a suck. Very protective tho,more so of me than even her owners.
ENJOY THE DAY!!!

Didn't attack a whole lot this past week. I did take a swing at every high ranked player that came up in either list, and nailed all ya'll at least once...

Attack 98% 89/91
Defense 36% 136/374

With a Prisoner.

Attacking 91 times, and getting 374 in return still seems off. I suppose the DM in my defense line-up makes it seem softer than other Prisoner defenses, but comparing hold rates makes me think its still a solid choice.

I'm copying Kris' week 3 stats over from the PvP Week 2 thread because they're extremely relevant. They once again illustrate the broken system.

Attack Wins: 86% (441/515)

Defense Wins: 11% (14/133)

First of all kudos to Kris for placing top 10 - and without a Mummy. He had a Viking - my favorite Eddie for attacking - so it was fun to face him in the arena.

But I also have to add if he would have had the 300-400+ attacks on him that many of us see he would have been far, far out of top 10 with an 11% Defense percentage. In fact he may not have placed even with a typical 20% had there been 350 attacks on him.

Simply put - the broken system allowed him to place where others who played more and better statistics likely could not. And while he had a Prisoner, I can't imagine people avoid Viking more than Mummy. He's much easier to beat.

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Originally Posted by RCarter

Attacking 91 times, and getting 374 in return still seems off.

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I agree completely

Here's my week 3 stats (with Prisoner)

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This week I basically only did the three matches a day for the rewards, then I played much of the day on Saturday. Here's what my stats looked like starting around 9a CST on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by Chaosego888

Another huge problem was constantly going 2nd 80+% (not even exaggerating at all...and to make this 50/50 coinflip garbage even more ridiculous is the fact that I go 1st 100% of the time versus Silentknight but only him... probably 12-15 attacks through the week

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Explains alot! Nice 2 know,guess I don't have to adjust defence too much. Coin flip isn't necessarily 50/50. It's RNG so.... Actually had 1 good day last week 20/24 going 1st,but the rest of week the usual 30/70 or worse. 1 good day in 8 weeks!!!

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Originally Posted by Chaosego888

I came up with a good strategy for taking down the prisoners (except for Sag, that is Stun or be stunned to death...I have a chance if I go first and do everything perfect... If he goes first, I just grab a shot of Jagermeister and move on when it is over)

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Loll funny, you'll be happy to know I've finally got rid of that defense & been trying something else for now...

As much as I continue to not see the point of posting these stats, nevertheless, for you, good Nicko, here they are:

*raises hand in confession* I am EducatedFool, and I have a Prisoner. :cool:

Attack Wins: 95% (296/313)
Defense Wins: 30% (100/331)

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Originally Posted by Sag7272

Loll funny, you'll be happy to know I've finally got rid of that defense & been trying something else for now...

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I like the challenge. That's the only reason I sacrificed my win streak to revenge you... I made sure you wasn't close to Jofer first

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Originally Posted by Silentknight

Explains alot! Nice 2 know,guess I don't have to adjust defence too much. Coin flip isn't necessarily 50/50. It's RNG so.... Actually had 1 good day last week 20/24 going 1st,but the rest of week the usual 30/70 or worse. 1 good day in 8 weeks!!!

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I shouldn't have posted that. Now I will go 2nd against you from now on and that Corrupt General will stun me 100% of the time

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Originally Posted by Chaosego888

I shouldn't have posted that. Now I will go 2nd against you from now on and that Corrupt General will stun me 100% of the time

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LMAO, I posted that SSD gives me trouble & look what happened!
Troopers are done,yw & thx! I'm outta here
Have fun!!!

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Originally Posted by The Educated fool

As much as I continue to not see the point of posting these stats, nevertheless, for you, good Nicko, here they are:

*raises hand in confession* I am EducatedFool, and I have a Prisoner. :cool:

Attack Wins: 95% (296/313)
Defense Wins: 30% (100/331)

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Well then this thread should REALLY tickle your fancy, TEF! Educated (statistics) Fool (no point). ;)

I think as much as anything it's a place for people to gather and share their PvP thoughts after an often-intense Saturday. The Prisoner debate kind of started it, and it does look like Prisoner teams - as a rule and with some definite exceptions - fare better on defense.

But I know personally, number of attacks has taken front and center stage.

Thanks for posting!

Is there a way to recover a post? I think I accidentally deleted it trying to edit

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Originally Posted by Nicko

Well then this thread should REALLY tickle your fancy, TEF! Educated (statistics) Fool (no point). ;)

I think as much as anything it's a place for people to gather and share their PvP thoughts after an often-intense Saturday. The Prisoner debate kind of started it, and it does look like Prisoner teams - as a rule and with some definite exceptions - fare better on defense.

But I know personally, number of attacks has taken front and center stage.

Thanks for posting!

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To play the fool is itself the point, good sir! :D All of my education has led me to this fact.

And no problemo, amigo. :cool:

Got a buddy @ work. Crappy team,only 5* is Viking (jealous) & he says he never gets attacked. Which is very strange considering he's such an easy target. He came in Thursday,all smiles,'I got attacked'. Couldn't revenge tho as he would have got his ass kicked! Only plays the mandatory 3/day. Dunno....take from it what u will
Cya

Gmac (No Prisoner)

Attack Wins 95% 417/439
Defense Wins 25% 95/373

Ironite
Started at 1630 and finished 1635, so I guess that 400 attacks area is about the threshold on using only Ironite earned during the week to play in arena.

Win Streak
I had a ridiculous 122 win streak yesterday morning, and a 70+ on afternoon. No refresh, Nicko can tell I attacked him A LOT, for some reason he is always on my list. Last week I had an 84 win streak as well.
Starting not so high on the rankings probably helps and I noticed yesterday when I crossed the 3300 mark Sag and Jofer started appearing in my list. Then latter in the day I lost more battles, I was probably tired too, but I felt I was getting a harder list.

Jofer, no1 and pay to win
Thanks SilentKnight, Sag and ChaoseGo for the compliments and incentives. I´ll try again, but right now no Prisoner hurts my defense and no HH or Art dog hurts my offense, corrupt droid would help too. Souls have been a total waste last 4 weeks. I hope sacrifice comes soon. I also like Slauki think it´s too much pay to win. I wish results at the Arena was determined by hard work + strategy + some good mechanics (play fast, perfect hit), and not all that + spending more Ironite you can earn during the week.

Cheers
Gmac

How on earth did I manage to do that? Can´t believe this myself.

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I like the challenge. That's the only reason I sacrificed my win streak to revenge you... I made sure you wasn't close to Jofer first

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Tanks I'll take the compliment :)
As for Jofer... Said what I had to say about it in the "Jofer's" post loll

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Originally Posted by Gmac

How on earth did I manage to do that? Can´t believe this myself.

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My hommages my friend, can't manage to do that myself :)

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Here are my week 3 stats. No Prisoner!

Got attacked pretty often this time around and was making no progress throughout the week because of it (my defense lacks necessary skill shards). However, when I went on my attack run on Saturday, I found myself having a very decent win-rate against Prisoner teams. I even have a chance going 2nd provided things don't get completely out of hand with the stuns and taunts. My anti-Prisoner team is pretty weird, but it gets the job done. Once I max out the skill shards on it or get a Prisoner of my own, I'll be having a lot more fun with PVP. My defense even managed to hold against a few Prisoner teams (one of which being Sag iirc!), which almost blew my mind. Essentially, if I go first against a Prisoner team, then the gimp isn't quite as threatening to me ─ even if he has his favorite ugly red tank friend with him.

Yesterday, after the reset, I even managed to beat Nicko when I was able to go first. ;)

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Originally Posted by Tritium

My defense even managed to hold against a few Prisoner teams (one of which being Sag iirc!)

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It happens every now & then, according to this week's stats... You are in select company :)

No prisoner, own siege on blue bat since the middle of the week.

My last week started funny. After sufferd cca 430 attacks last week was a bust, went out on saturday and haven't been attacked much on monday and tuesday. 3 ags had a 40% hold rate.

So on tuesday I thought to capitalize on that and gave it some juice. Actually I wanted to match no of attacks with no of being attacked. It was fine, woke up on wednesday just behind 25. Juiced some more up to 2500 pts and 11th, just to wake up 350pts below and 'my natural' rate of being attacked.
Ufcorse, at higher divisions with exp players those ags had probably 5% hold, in total it went down to 20%. Somewhere arround here siege came in, and I can say that without creatures backing up that passive it's not much. I call myself a noob with a siege.

Friday my friend graduated, I haven't been playing more then troopers and I woke up on saturday 1pm GMT with no points so to say, arround 1700. So I gave it a push, but I'm not that fast as some guys here. Missed top 50 by few fights probably watching that boxing match. And I can say I haven't been attacked alot. People below top 100 weren't here to revenge so I feel I sufferd less attacks on that run then while sleeping.

After refresh I've done 3 fights for daily and went to bed. It' 1AM here when it resets. Blue bat is still on defense and I seem to be back on plenty of lists. Not counting revengers from last night, few more attacks came in during the day of not playing at all...

Here it is, just moments ago:

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Used same strategy as Nicko. Um, lost unbelievably the first couple of days, played very little until Wednesday and picked up gradually each day.

Didnt play as much this week than last week and very happy with 16th considering.

No prisoner.
100 less attacks than prior week, 80 less defensive attacks.

Like gmac, getting top 25 is possible without spending on ironite.

Going to replicate the strategy again this week, as I don't have time to consistently battle throughout the week. Don't have the time, but don't mind the rewards.

congrats gmac on the win streak!

And like others have mentioned, sure feels like I went second 80% of the time.

Spent 90 ironites yesterday just to get 2100 points and the achievement of one shard. Anyways got 140 ironites and 3 rare souls, so worth to spent them. I only did it because had some free time.
Opened some souls, nothing new this week, 2 blue, 2 red, 2 green and 7 rare souls. Only dupes and my 2nd SSD. How would be a defense with 2 SSD.
Last week I was attacked 73 times less, I don't have a prisoner.
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As of Thursday at end of work week, no Sands of War refills since reset at 1900 points, mostly revenges

1935 points
Rank 120
ATK 91% 128/140
DEF 21% 50/235
2986 Ironite

End of week stats

Rank 10
ATK 87% 458/527
DEF 21% 71/345
2156 Ironite

Once I got in to top 10 I could not progress after my Win streak ended due to not having the stat bonuses since I need these to take down the Prisoners. My Anti Prisoner team sucks really bad against the Void talisman nightmare that exploded this week. Just like Caretaker, Siege is not doing anything for me either. I tried experimenting with some different characters this week that just got me killed more. I woke up Saturday in 10th and defended the same position all day. 2 steps forward, 3 steps back. I wouldn't have had to waste as much ironite but I had to refresh several times at the end of the day to salvage a top 10. As for people having a low number of attacks, I never once saw Kris, ShaolinLondo, FallenAngel or Go80sMetal in my list the entire day.

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How on earth did I manage to do that? Can´t believe this myself.

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That is awesome! I made it in the 40's last week, this week was completely different. You have a really reliable strategy, I have to come up with something better...

Attack 126/174 (72%)
Defense 10/44 (23%)

Rabk 498 with 1835 VP.

No troll, cg, ags, ssd, mummy, or prisoner so I assume i just dont show up on peoples list?

Also only use natural occuring SoW as i ssve up ironite for rare soul packs like an idiot.

Also on a different note anyone else running into a problem where skills like reflect/void shield are expiring the moment your turn ends even tho you just used them? BAS reflect skill says it last 2 turns but continously only lasts during my turn when its cast and then expires once my turn is over rendering it useless to use. And i've check to make sure its not just toons with siege i'm unaware of.

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Also on a different note anyone else running into a problem where skills like reflect/void shield are expiring the moment your turn ends even tho you just used them? BAS reflect skill says it last 2 turns but continously only lasts during my turn when its cast and then expires once my turn is over rendering it useless to use. And i've check to make sure its not just toons with siege i'm unaware of.

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If opponent has void shield there's a chance for it to remove beneficial effects. Not sure why but I had Carriage Riders ghost removed at end of own turn. Shouldn't work like that but...

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Originally Posted by Silentknight

If opponent has void shield there's a chance for it to remove beneficial effects. Not sure why but I had Carriage Riders ghost removed at end of own turn. Shouldn't work like that but...

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Hadn't noticed opponents having void shield up but I will pay closer attention to that. Thanks Silent!

One has to play strategically when those pesky void shields are up. On my usual anti-Prisoner team, the only non-true damage toon I use is Mummy, so I'll attack first with him and lose my buffs, but then regain them after I've used my other true-damage toons. Just to be sure, if you have your own void shield proccing toon, it's best to attack with him last so your shields are guaranteed to stay up for the enemy's turn.

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Originally Posted by Tritium

One has to play strategically when those pesky void shields are up. On my usual anti-Prisoner team, the only non-true damage toon I use is Mummy, so I'll attack first with him and lose my buffs, but then regain them after I've used my other true-damage toons. Just to be sure, if you have your own void shield proccing toon, it's best to attack with him last so your shields are guaranteed to stay up for the enemy's turn.

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There's a past skill that just cast immunity for free, mummyfy or something.. It prevents it from happening if you are willing to skip attack altogether..