April 11th 2017 Update Discussion

[slauki]

The new scapegoat after Prisoner... Though I agree with you to an extent, this path will be a neverending one if we continuously adjust the current top gun.

Hint: try fighting fire with fire, you'd be amazed how efficient that is (if you have the means)

road to perfection is never ending but yeah sure there will be other toons after that, but if almost all people use him (who have him) somethings clearly wrong. but the situation is much better than with prisoners, tauntfest and freezefest, since visons don't cause problems 100% of the time...
so we are getting closer to perfection in terms of balance...but there is a looooooooong way to go

yeah there are strategies to minimize the risk so skill matters as always but i bet your hold% is going through the roof (so as mine), so people have clearly problems with fire/vs fire, which is okay but also a sign very few if any counterstrategies... that's always my argument ever strategy has to have a counter.
at least i'm happy to have him/use him, so noone can bring the argument "OP toons are these ones you don't have"...

[R1ck]

Glad Slauki is fair and admit that hold defenses are high with Visions. And should be a 100% efficiency in attack.
Visions removes all kind of beneficial effects from 3 of 4 toons and with hard hitting toons eliminate the undefended toons, specially using The Nomad, SSD and AoF which will be you an extra turn.

[Ringe666-7406]

Glad Slauki is fair and admit that hold defenses are high with Visions. And should be a 100% efficiency in attack.
Visions removes all kind of beneficial effects from 3 of 4 toons and with hard hitting toons eliminate the undefended toons, specially using The Nomad, SSD and AoF which will be you an extra turn.

I think that if I had F'n VE my attack would jump from 98-99% (two loses and one crash so far) to 100%. But with totally different team than I use atm. If SoL had few more k of HP or a green slot I'd never need VE though.

[R1ck]

SoL is amazing, also hope he has a green slot.

[angelkelly]

okay, i have gathered a stong indicator for the OPness of Visions Eddie

current top 10 players

1. Enti (Visions on defense)
2. Nicko (Visions on defense)
3. Bradata (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it but don't know it for sure )
4. Gmac (Visions on defense)
5. Donslauki (Visions on defense)
6. Kamuz (Visions on defense)
7. Ringe (No Visions Eddie but he would use him, since i asked my belgrade buddy, but unfortunatly he doesn't have one)
8. Jofer (Visuins on defense)
9. Silentknight (assuming Visions on defense since he has the talismans for it, but don't know it for sure )
10.Homemlivre (Visions on defense)

Nothing more to say i think, everyone who thinks visions is in order is clearly wrong IMO.... the new mummy is born and he is killing the game again,since he is almost impossible to counter, if enemy goes first and visions acts early.

Some Ways to bring in more balance in:

1. Drasticly reduce take %
2. Let him remove ONE random buff aoe 50% of the time
3. Let him remove beneficials up to 2 random enemies
4. some kind of possibilities to make beneficials non removable
5. change shield passive so that more than one character cannot be frozen/taunted/stunned
6. Some possibilities for accuracy debuff on whole enemy team

EDIT: i bet most of them have alsso the sentonel soulless demon on defense... but haven't checked that...

I agree with slauki. Vision eddie does seem to be alot op now. Esp if he's paired with the Nomad, Angel of fear, Prisoner and SSD. Meaning over kill....

Edit: To answer your question most of them do have SSD on their defense.. Who doesn't?..

[Enti]

"Ever had a conversation
That you realise you've had before
Isn't it strange

Have you ever talked to someone
And you feel you know what's coming next
It feels pre-arranged"

[HomemLivre]

Glad Slauki is fair and admit that hold defenses are high with Visions. And should be a 100% efficiency in attack.
Visions removes all kind of beneficial effects from 3 of 4 toons and with hard hitting toons eliminate the undefended toons, specially using The Nomad, SSD and AoF which will be you an extra turn.

I can only think about two things:
1 - Your incredibly out of luck and RNG are always against you
or
2 - You are lying couse you dont realised how to fight against visions teams.

As I said before with numerous tests Im running with Visions:
Attack tests (100 games):
- Take Proc: 0 toon (9%) / 1 toon (24%) / 2 toons (55%) / 3 toons (8%) / 4 toons (4%)

That was my attack results using take against full buffed teams.

Defense tests:
Removed 2 buffs almost every game but I can say for sure couse some players use him with the Prisoner.


My oppinion: hes completely balanced when the only use he have is a support with NO damage at all.

If you say that a toon without any buff is UNDEFENDED your playing incredibly wrong and should revise which toons and talis your using.
Carlos made a nice combo with Visions, Nomad and AoF but I face LOTS more trouble when facing the same team but with GRE.


About the ranking points and the broken list:
- Im really disappointed with this, talk with some high tier players and I simply received more then 3x the number of attacks they received... Im back in time and I really dont want it (the patch before this was awesome in this point).
- Point system need to be revised asap... Loose 20 points and win 12 is ridiculous, mainly to players like me that no matter which tier are ALWAYS in everyones list... Im getting sick of it.

[R1ck]

Not a lier here, it is what it is. And off course VE teams are not a problem, you must know that because I defeated your defense several times without a single lose; my only real lose was yesterday against Carlos team just for not taking precautions (red troll), today I had my revenge. Any other lose because app problem.
But the situation here is an​ abuse by those who have him, not everyone will revenge a team with VE and that is not ok.

[HomemLivre]

Not a lier here, it is what it is. And off course VE teams are not a problem, you must know that because I defeated your defense several times without a single lose; my only real lose was yesterday against Carlos team just for not taking precautions (red troll), today I had my revenge. Any other lose because app problem.
But the situation here is an​ abuse by those who have him, not everyone will revenge a team with VE and that is not ok.

Feels bad about your bad RNG...
I cant even remmember your name in my attack list couse I cant see more then 10 players and every log have more than 20 attacks, so...

And a thing that I dont understand about what you said, If theres no problem facing Visions team, wheres the abuse? I really dont get it... why people will not revenge a team with Visions if theres no problem to face it?

[Enti]

Not a lier here, it is what it is. And off course VE teams are not a problem, you must know that because I defeated your defense several times without a single lose; my only real lose was yesterday against Carlos team just for not taking precautions (red troll), today I had my revenge. Any other lose because app problem.
But the situation here is an​ abuse by those who have him, not everyone will revenge a team with VE and that is not ok.

Why would it be an abuse if available to use VE after 9 months of being incapable to do anything, then now fixed?
Obviously if you have a toon worthy to have on your teams, you will use it.

I must have abused this at the early phase of the game when I removed The Beast's yellow buff then - or should it count as a strategy and a well-thought fight instead?