May 16th 2017 Update Discussion

[slauki]

Haha , yes, players will love him, will go for him, will shard him, and then will be nerfed

yep very obvious nerf candidate, but man i don't know how this can happend...adjusting visions and introducing wrath at the same time? come on guys, that's a serious one....

[Nicko]

Haha , yes, players will love him, will go for him, will shard him, and then will be nerfed

It DOES let us get a feeling for how those without Prisoners felt in PvP

But nerfing the Gimp - nerfing VE - and then introducing this guy? Why bother nerfing the others - it doesn't add up. I think someone mentioned that the Eternals were cool because they were strong but not game breaking. I would argue that's true with the exception of Wrath.

Almost any of the regulars here would have flagged this as ridiculous. i'm not sure how something like this slips through the cracks.

Fortunately there are only a few of them out there - for now...

[Nicko]

There's already a defense out there combining him with an Allied Bomber Boy. That makes 100% chance to remove beneficials. If he goes first - you lose every single buff.

Wtf?

At least if the prisoner was left unnerfed there'd be a way to combat this to a slightly less ridiculous level. With immunity talismans there isn't. You may get lucky with a Death Dog - you may not.

[Killhouse]

There's already a defense out there combining him with an Allied Bomber Boy. That makes 100% chance to remove beneficials. If he goes first - you lose every single buff.

Wtf?

At least if the prisoner was left unnerfed there'd be a way to combat this to a slightly less ridiculous level. With immunity talismans there isn't. You may get lucky with a Death Dog - you may not.

Haha yes, I lost to that one too and the next time it came up in a list I ended the win streak since it's a sure loss going second. Maybe I'll experiment with it next week when points are less important... if I can't think of anything to do other than go first. All protection gets removed... maybe a team of 3 harpys that can't get stunned???

And I'll add it's not the players fault, they're being creative in coming up with the team.

Also, I'll argue that beelzebub is not powerful in ANY way... weak HP, bad talisman slots, weak damage, and a fury that's the same as nomad but no damage and in turn gives gurenteed vanish... which typically just gets removed anyways.

[Ringe666-7406]

Fortunately there are only a few of them out there - for now...

Counted all eternals in top100 yesterday (and I doubt there is any below): 11 of them in total. And yeah, that def with Wrath and ABB is tough af. Literally gives the player feeling of having gimp before he was nerfed. Wrath's Fury is a major laughter though, I think basic does more damage

[Nicko]

Haha yes, I lost to that one too and the next time it came up in a list I ended the win streak since it's a sure loss going second. Maybe I'll experiment with it next week when points are less important... if I can't think of anything to do other than go first. All protection gets removed... maybe a team of 3 harpys that can't get stunned???

And I'll add it's not the players fault, they're being creative in coming up with the team.

Also, I'll argue that beelzebub is not powerful in ANY way... weak HP, bad talisman slots, weak damage, and a fury that's the same as nomad but no damage and in turn gives gurenteed vanish... which typically just gets removed anyways.

I went second - all buffs wiped - yet beat it with two Harpies - but if Ringe puts shells on those mages - I would have been sunk

[Ringe666-7406]

I beat it with two Harpies - but if Ringe puts shells on those mages - I would have been sunk

It's either shell or immunity, can't have both :/

@killhouse: sorry for the streak, I was really surprised to see that joke of a glass cannons held you, carlos, gmac and Beto As for the harpies, might be good idea, but there is always good ol' Rocket Doge with a couple of Burning sets

[Silentknight]

Shouldn't we be used to this by now! Same shit every update or intro of new toons. Said b4, tired of devs deciding who wins or who has the best toons! Can't complain bout Clairvoyant.. until they nerf her! Maybe not tho, she needs support

[Askora]

There's already a defense out there combining him with an Allied Bomber Boy. That makes 100% chance to remove beneficials. If he goes first - you lose every single buff.

Wtf?

At least if the prisoner was left unnerfed there'd be a way to combat this to a slightly less ridiculous level. With immunity talismans there isn't. You may get lucky with a Death Dog - you may not.

I feel the same about the Assassin and Warrior NBoLs. There proc rate still seems ridiculously high and the only effective way to neutralize them relies purely on chance (with much lower proc rates) without the prisoner. Most of the other characters there are several effective ways to counter.

[Killhouse]

It's either shell or immunity, can't have both :/

@killhouse: sorry for the streak, I was really surprised to see that joke of a glass cannons held you, carlos, gmac and Beto As for the harpies, might be good idea, but there is always good ol' Rocket Doge with a couple of Burning sets

Haha no worries! It's fun facing new challenges and I got you back now. Couldn't resist.