August 2017 Tuning Discussion - PRELIMINARY

[Chaosego888]

If they fix the energy talismans, yes but if they don't you'll see her even more.

That's what I was basing that on. With Energy and Explosives working as intended, 7 power for Resuciatate will render her useless in my opinion

[Blacksteel]

Regarding the combat hang issue, our QA just let me know that while I was on vacation, they identified an combat hang which they thought was localized to a new feature, but actually was a combat hang situation that would have also been in the currently-live version. This issue was fixed recently in our internal builds and should be in the next update.

I'm still confirming the specifics with them, but we will add information about the fix to the full patch notes for the upcoming release.

That's great!, thanks Sparton that was a nasty bug, looking forward to the update.

[Blacksteel]

That's what I was basing that on. With Energy and Explosives working as intended, 7 power for Resuciatate will render her useless in my opinion

Well she has been OP long enough.

[Chaosego888]

Well she has been OP long enough.

I never thought she was OP to begin with, maybe a little annoying at times but damn sure not as annoying as a counterstriking soulless demon. If it were up to me the Troll would get his Magma shield back, the Angel of Pain would get Siege restored to it's original state, Visions Eddie and Corrupt General made awesome again, Magus chick would get her 100% removal back and the Mummy Eddie would taunt as much as that ridiculous demon. I'm all for implementing Nicko's perfect hit idea as well. Let's get rid of the coinflip as well and just go 2nd every time. This 98% win rate is getting old... and please leave Wrath alone. The only nerf that ever made any sense to me was the Prisoner.

[Nicko]

I never thought she was OP to begin with, maybe a little annoying at times but damn sure not as annoying as a counterstriking soulless demon. If it were up to me the Troll would get his Magma shield back, the Angel of Pain would get Siege restored to it's original state, Visions Eddie and Corrupt General made awesome again, Magus chick would get her 100% removal back and the Mummy Eddie would taunt as much as that ridiculous demon. I'm all for implementing Nicko's perfect hit idea as well. Let's get rid of the coinflip as well and just go 2nd every time. This 98% win rate is getting old... and please leave Wrath alone. The only nerf that ever made any sense to me was the Prisoner.

Couldn't have said it better myself. While 98% win rates may make someone feel like a stud - games are about challenge...

[Blacksteel]

I never thought she was OP to begin with, maybe a little annoying at times but damn sure not as annoying as a counterstriking soulless demon. If it were up to me the Troll would get his Magma shield back, the Angel of Pain would get Siege restored to it's original state, Visions Eddie and Corrupt General made awesome again, Magus chick would get her 100% removal back and the Mummy Eddie would taunt as much as that ridiculous demon. I'm all for implementing Nicko's perfect hit idea as well. Let's get rid of the coinflip as well and just go 2nd every time. This 98% win rate is getting old... and please leave Wrath alone. The only nerf that ever made any sense to me was the Prisoner.

Magus chick would get removal % back and lower ability cost, corrupt droid would get back cheapo shields and immunity, sweet.
Anyway I'm all in if they bring back the good old fun, but as it stands today she needs to be tamed as she does stand out, look at it this way:
FREE Titan shield every turn
Revives a character for only 6
Heals Herself
Hit's all so you can take 12 energy from the other team
She can be the last character standing and still get a draw or win against 1 and up to 3 low-med damage characters (i.e a Nomad and a pharaoh dog together cant kill her).
And she will be resurrecting her team in the meantime, if she resurrects a Grim Reaper, Vampire Hunter, Pharaoh,Clairvoyant,etc. the whole team comes back, GG.
And all this after she has been nerfed already once.
I could bet that she is one of the characters that statistically gets more wins for a team.
It's not only about the stats but the potential and flexibility, that's not only annoying but borderline OP, not super OP just getting there.
Yes You can kill her focusing dmg/removal and maybe risk ignoring the rest of the team, how many characters can do what she can?.

[Chaosego888]

Magus chick would get removal % back and lower ability cost, corrupt droid would get back cheapo shields and immunity, sweet.
Anyway I'm all in if they bring back the good old fun, but as it stands today she needs to be tamed as she does stand out, look at it this way:
FREE Titan shield every turn
Revives a character for only 6
Heals Herself
Hit's all so you can take 12 energy from the other team
She can be the last character standing and still get a draw or win against 1 and up to 3 low-med damage characters (i.e a Nomad and a pharaoh dog together cant kill her).
And she will be resurrecting her team in the meantime, if she resurrects a Grim Reaper, Vampire Hunter, Pharaoh,Clairvoyant,etc. the whole team comes back, GG.
And all this after she has been nerfed already once.
I could bet that she is one of the characters that statistically gets more wins for a team.
It's not only about the stats but the potential and flexibility, that's not only annoying but borderline OP, not super OP just getting there.
Yes You can kill her focusing dmg/removal and maybe risk ignoring the rest of the team, how many characters can do what she can?.

There are way too many counters for her. The reason she is so annoying now is because of the energy and explosive talismans being bugged, not because of her abilities. She will typically just revive the 1st character killed and then she usually gets dumb and starts attacking void shields for the rest of the battle which removes the shield for you. I use 6 or 7 different characters to counter her depending on what the other 3 are. I won't list them all out of respect for players that choose to use her on their defense. Multiple revivers tend to just waste power which actually just limits the team because they don't have enough attack. Grim Reaper and Vampire Hunter are a little different but if you keep their health down they never use their fury anyway. I just think this seemingly small nerf will lead to a lot of players who love this character to bench her and it will be just another character that got ruined and disappeared. I have never been a fan of using her for my defense. I did use her a lot on offense in the past but retired her because she bacame the reason for a lot of lost battles

[konstifik]

I had a "Draw" in GoD today. Something that has never happened to me. Happened on auto-play and didn't see it actually happen but screen said Draw at results screen. Did not know it was even possible lol.

Can happen when reflective shields are active, either if you had one up or if the Magus COTD had her shield up.

[DaveMurray]

So any word on when exactly we will get the new update from the devs please?
Was hoping for today so any news would be appreciated.

[Monte47]

There are way too many counters for her. The reason she is so annoying now is because of the energy and explosive talismans being bugged, not because of her abilities. She will typically just revive the 1st character killed and then she usually gets dumb and starts attacking void shields for the rest of the battle which removes the shield for you. I use 6 or 7 different characters to counter her depending on what the other 3 are. I won't list them all out of respect for players that choose to use her on their defense. Multiple revivers tend to just waste power which actually just limits the team because they don't have enough attack. Grim Reaper and Vampire Hunter are a little different but if you keep their health down they never use their fury anyway. I just think this seemingly small nerf will lead to a lot of players who love this character to bench her and it will be just another character that got ruined and disappeared. I have never been a fan of using her for my defense. I did use her a lot on offense in the past but retired her because she bacame the reason for a lot of lost battles

I was so excited to get her, and she is fine on offense, but on defense I just think she kind of sucks. I have a prisoner, so for me, the shield isn't a deal usually, but my defensive holds go way down when I put her in, even with explosives on her. The AI does the dumbest shit in terms of what it chooses to use, so everything is hit or miss imo.

Almost every team I play with the GRE, the AI could use the fury, or hell, heal him even, and it invariably chooses Slash instead.