Thanks SpartonQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
When are you expecting this update? What else is being addressed? It may have been mentioned here so my apologies if it was
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Thanks SpartonQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
When are you expecting this update? What else is being addressed? It may have been mentioned here so my apologies if it was
Got pm - thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin85london
And trust me - Aristo's team of defenseless idiots is definitely on purpose ;)
A lot; while we have done some updates from server pushes, we have tweaks and additions that have been piling up since mid December!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
The highlight stuff is bug and exploit fixes, but since we're still in the process of fixing/testing those, I don't want to go into specifics yet (in case some things prove trickier to fix than expected). We'll have the usual update post stuff as the update comes out.
That's why I don't attack him xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Any timeline for this? Sorry to keep pressing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparton_LOTB
And I t may be tough to get specific right now, but a request - is it possible to get a list of characters that are getting significant nerfs in advance? I'm not talking minor adjustments - I'm talking more major alterations to damage or abilities. It's pretty discouraging to dump a bunch of skillshards into a character and then find out he's taken a good hit. Obviously the Prisoner comes to mind, though I'm assuming he'll still prove to be really valuable - but any other characters that you're already pretty certain about? They're usually announced the day of the update; it would be great to know before then so we're not wasting shards.
Thanks again for taking the time to update - cause you guys obviously have a lot on your plate getting all this done - it's really appreciated!
I'm new in beta pvp.
I have a question , at the beginning of the battle, how the game decide who shoot first?
Because if you begin generally you win and if not you lose....it's a strange gameplay :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Nicko
Whoever kills my superteam will be revenged mercilessly :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin85london
Supposedly a coinflip...Quote:
Originally Posted by blade685
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Originally Posted by blade685
That's where the art of choosing who to pick on comes into play, good luck & welcome to PvP..Quote:
Originally Posted by Aristo4
i didn't understandQuote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
If we choose one particular character we begin or not? if yes it's stupid no? :confused:
He meant if there's a high enough chance you'll lose going second - it's probably best to pick someone else to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blade685
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Originally Posted by blade685
Exactly, I wouldn't be anywhere close to top 10 if I didn't choose carefully who to attack or revenge, didn't took a look at your team but a pure damage build is usually too much of a glass canon to sustain damage starting second maybe your problem lay there if you choose opponents carefully and still loose when second, start farming those green tallismants.. Good luck out there BladeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
There are some players who attack more times in a week then there are competitors (and as such many multiple more times then there are high-ranked competitors, since we don't want the strongest players picking on newer low-ranked players!). While there is matchmaking tuning we're planning on doing and we'll see less of this as more people engage in PVP, it's not possible to fully solve... especially if you attack someone multiple times and they're revenging you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aristo4
We have tuning and fixes for the point system, we're working on isolating and improving matchmaking while trickling a bit of fresh blood into the system and putting in revenging limits, and we have fixes for major talisman issues plus other bugs noted that we're trying to fix ASAP... improvements are coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Our current timeline is within the next few weeks; I can't really narrow it down much further than that at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
There's a few other suspect discussion threads I'll make soon for other characters which we have concerns about (most of which we've seen posts in the forums about, others which we have internally spotted some kind of discrepancy with). In general, though, we can aim to give a bit more forewarning, but some stuff may still fly in late in the submission process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicko
Right now, I don't think we plan on doing a specific change to the Prisoner in the immediate term (at least directly), but for something like him or other fundamental changes, we will work to give better advance warning.
have green talismans is easy for me ( i play offen) the problem is to upgrade many of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
In pvp all play with full green to win and no magic protection on characters = dead? if yes it need big update to be fun for me
All will play same strategy :eek:
I was 2100 points before Sunday. On sunday night I was 1300. Today I was below 1000. Really guys, this is really frustrating. I feel like don't touching PvP anymore...
At this time i don't like pvp system, it's not interesting and frustrating
If you don't have the good characters and good talismans ( impossible to update all with the bad update system) your dead if you don't begin the battle...
only one interest is prizes that i can buy need more....to buy, always same bug :(
For once I have to back up the devs on the talisman side because it is not true that is impossible to level some decent sets of talismans. If you farm Battlefield or Underworld madness you can easily upgrade one talisman a day to level 40-50. It was a pain in the butt a while ago but getting good drops for levelling talismans I actually consider as fixed. Just in the last week I could level 5 yellow talismans rfom 3* to 5* level 40+ (from 0 runes left).Quote:
Originally Posted by blade685
But yes: PVP can be very frustrating. Your choice - sleep or loose 200 points over night.
Yep, it's not always easy but been able to steady build a 3 tally set every week if not more grinding is the key... That & build the right talismans of course.. Void shield & energy are VERY useful to be competitive, freeze & paralysis following close behind..Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTameAGame
(Understand that most guys here have more than a month of headstart in PvP so going up the standing may take some time/experience, you'll soon be fighting for top 10 spot with some luck/efforts but it'll obviously take some times)
Untill you guys fix things.
Or create a opt-out of PVP option. I'd like to have a notification free week sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
Yeah, stop testing for more bugs so you can fix all the bugs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost
No one's forcing you to keep playing y'know.
Hi you all,
I've noticed a huge bug. I'm not sure if its has been reported before but anyway I'm gonna report it. I usually farm Point of no return in the battlefield madness to farm green talismans for pvp. Sometimes (3rd time for me) when I return to the arena section and try to revenge I got myself into a strange zone that looks like the arena but its named point of no return and the attack set up is the same I picked to revenge (1 eddie and 3 allies) and fight against the 3 waves of Point of no return, after beating the 3 waves the game stucks there, nothing happens. I had to restart the game and when I got in the game, the revenge result is defeat and of course some points lost. I didn't take a picture but if it happens again I'll take it.
I'm disgusted with players who continue to use broken teams combining perfect hit with multi hitters + frozen / stun talis ...
This puts an end to competitiveness and spoils the game.
Players I've seen using these builds often:
- caretakerii
- Demoonchild
- Go80sMetal
- metaljosh
- zamasu
... and a few others including top 10 players ...
I can not wait for this long awaited patch to arrive. It would be fair for players who abused such broken builds to be punished in any way since everyone here knows that these combinations are not working as they should be.
Please Sparton, would you know when the patch with these fixes will come out?
Hello mate, I'm including among those players? I'm inside the top ten, that's why I'm asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
I really dont remember your team, but if your using 3 hitters (with stun/freeze talis) + perfect hit then yes, you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin85london
alright I'm using mummy eddie along with artillery dog. Blue angel for debuff and because I know the bug behind GM plus multi hitter, I set pyro assassin, that gain two ph rounds but believe me don't trigger freezing every time like use to do DM. Ergo I'm not among those.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
In contrast to these disloyal players it is very cool to see players who realize that these problems have not yet been solved and do not abuse these tricks like you, Nicko and Sag (besides others that certainly do).
Donīt hate the player, hate the game! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
I can hear you, trust me. And btw arena deal with a lot of different strategies and reliable teams, I got dm ggs and others pg, but I d prefer create a different strategy, and ofc as on game ll get improved, so I ll change my strategy team. I like arena cos isn't stack, but is keeping moving, building up different strategies at every time. Cheers mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
You also know that finding the same opponent to attack all the time is not working as it should be, yet you attacked my shity team of 4* mofos 6 times in 4 hours earlier in the week for easy pts...should you be punished too?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Nonsense. :cool:
I completely disagree with what you have just said, being that I attacked only once and after realizing that they were only 4 * I did not attack anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aristo4
Lying is not cool.
And even if it had attacked (thats not the case), you leave 4 * characters because you want to. You are not using game errors by putting a team like this, you are giving points to anyone who wants to farm you.
I've been spending ironite to refresh my list in order to avoid continuous attack in the same players and I've focused more on revenge than attacking other players.
Tanks but having been on the dark side already I can say that those mainly exist because of the point system who suck real bad, once high in ranking everyone wants a try for points & this setup prevent that to some extent...Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
Can hardly throw rocks to those who can't afford to go otherwise, it can make a huge difference in standing as for now, their time is counted unless they work something else don't worry..
I agree with you, those mainly exist because of the point system, you are completely correct. But I reuse the same examples (you and Nicko) continue in 2 and 3 position in the ranking even leaving the use of builds like these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
Because we can afford it, don't know for Nicko, but if our hold rate had fell to the ground,Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
I don't think the experiment would had last for long in complete honesty..
There's gonna be a major shift in team building when next update goes live & hopefully many who now don't stand a chance will start to rise up the standing & new team strategy will emerge "unfair" teams will be a thing of the past like the old days of far west & no one will miss them :D
I fully agree! Lets not miss then lol :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sag7272
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Originally Posted by HomemLivre
i appreciate you fairness, since you don't try to take advantage of the broken freezes in combination with the desert marauder...
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yeah you could use your unsharded gunner golden son, but TBH you also try to exploit the broken mechanics. i'm with gmac hate the game, not the players.
Well to be fair slauki, that team is easily countered by a hellhound since he has no prisoner.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
But I agree in that it is futile for someone to complain about how certain team strategies are being "exploited" given how competitive PvP currently is.
If you want to make a complaint - contact the game team instead of expecting everyone to choose their teams from an ethical point of view.
The problem with DM applies with the use of 3-hit characters, and there's no three-hit character on my team.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
I tested countless times against my defense, put the GS as you said and just got broken with the GS. Both CG and Allied Soldier are not procking more often than it should.
I could be using the yellow GS but it is not fair to use the broken mechanics of 3 hits proc.
Firstly I'm not expecting anyone to change their team by what I'm talking about, whoever changed by realizing how broken they use 3 hits + perfect hit has already changed by itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
Second, the name of this Thread: Beta PVP Arena! Let's feedback here ~ *
This is a place with active developer participation and they always look for errors reported by everyone.
My words were the discontent of the use of broken mechanics by some players, not to request that they change their teams.
Cumps
the freezes proc more than they should and the DM seems to trigger more than the pyro soldier too. but that's not the point:Quote:
Originally Posted by HomemLivre
i just disliked, that you were demanding punishments for the players, while you also try to take some advantage from the mechanics. yeah you don't exploit it
so hard like others do, but you are targeting for a advantage too.
same with the other guys (and me too), even some are pushing harder than you. but they follow the rules and they don't cheat, so it's not their fault, the system is rigged. so i cannot see a reason for a punishment.
but i bet most of us are interested in a fair and balanced pvp-experience anyway and i really hope we will get it soon... so let's wait a week or two and hope for the best :-)
I understand what you said, I was pissed (I had lost more than 10 attacks against teams with 3 hitters + perfect hit including the pyro soldier) not to attack the same names again. Now thinking with more calm and seeing the feedback from you guys punishment would not be appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by slauki
I do not say this because I use dm with single hitters and I will explain why:
- I have tested this build countless times on defense and single hitters have not proc more than they should have. I changed the DM to attack, put several other characters and the proc of my perfect attacks remain the same. So both DM and PS with single hit characters do not increase the chance of proc since attacking without them remains the same.
- I tested GS on the attack without the DM, it procs every time on the perfect hit, regardless of whether it has DM or not, so I do not even use it to attack.
- Conclusion after numerous tests: The problem is in the perfect attack proc with 3 hits, since an attack action counts as one attack (causing three perfect hits and only deducting once the passive perfect hit). The most viable solution in my point of view is in all the chars who attack more than once proc only in the first hit.
Just like you, I care about a clean game and just for that reason and above tests I continue to use dm on my team (and because I only have him with upgraded skills) without using 3 hits characters.
I also hope that with the next patch pvp will become healthier and more competitive.
Cumps.